ASSS Zones

[Lizard Fuel]

Long story short: I'm banned from TW, so I've been spending a lot of time in HZ. For those of you that do not know, hz is run by ASSS (a small subspace server) and is unique from what we are used to with the universal "subgame". ASSS Has several features that subgame does not, and is also missing several features. Has this ever been considered being implemented into TW? This would benefit in a ton of ways. I can name a couple...

1) Complete human control. Would eliminate need for bots as the staff members can issue all commands for hosting/banning/*arena messages/etc.

2) You can set up a filter to block obscenities and/or racism. This way you can stop pointlessly banning people and shunning away what little fan base you have left. (Example: n**ger would come out as &!$#%^) The players can choose to de-activate ?obscene if they so choose to. Then they can't complain about racism.

3) No more stupid help calls about starting base/wbduel/javduel/whatever. You can make a command so that the players can get captainship with a simple "?" command such as ?captain (or whatever you want) Which would reduce the need for so many useless staff members.

4) It also sets up a very reliable lag/cheat/hack filter that would prevent people from playing that would reduce the overall experience for everyone else.

All of this, while still maintaining the core that TW already has with its pub and tons of subarenas. Except the players themselves would be in control of whatever they want to do. I know some of you uppers aren't keen on losing your grip of total control on the populus, but I think this would be a def improvement in a desperate time for this zone. That is all.

[D1st0rt]

Thank you for your contribution on this matter that is exactly as you have framed it

[RiiStar]

Isn't the main reason for it not changing in regards to TW's server
that its still not proven to handle a larger population yet?

[Dameon Angell]

Yeah, with a couple hundred people or more on, doing a lot of these commands can cause a big lag issue with the server.

[Money]

asss > subgame

[Hakaku]

People have been sceptical for too long, unless you've tried it, there's no way to actually know if ASSS would lag more than subgame would. All the current zones that use ASSS are fairing pretty well. At the time, it was unknown if ASSS could handle any large population at all because there were no zones that reached ~20+; but things have changed since, with notable zones such as Hockey Zone, HyperSpace, and Powerball.

And being afraid of an overload of commands is ridiculous, there aren't that many more commands available to the standard player, and you can modify the settings to restrict commands to people. Not to mention message/commands flood-control. It would be no less of a difference than having bots (which technically hack subgame in order to perform the many tasks they do).

TWCore can only push the limits of subgame so much, which is a pretty huge disadvantage if any one wants to push the game forwards. People wouldn't just have to contribute maps, but they could contribute unique code and gameplay specifics for their arena.

[D1st0rt]

It would likely take a couple of years to get TW ready for asss

[Lizard Fuel]

Isn't the main reason for it not changing in regards to TW's server
that its still not proven to handle a larger population yet?

How is anyone gonna prove that its ready for a larger population, if TW has the only large population, but we won't test it because its not proven to work yet.

[Phiz]

I love 1 thing about ASSS and thats the 'instant replays'

I would like to see replays of me killing newbies like ease/mega. :turned:

[Money]

How is anyone gonna prove that its ready for a larger population, if TW has the only large population, but we won't test it because its not proven to work yet.

didnt you know? tw staff knows everything

[stark]

2) You can set up a filter to block obscenities and/or racism. This way you can stop pointlessly banning people and shunning away what little fan base you have left. (Example: n**ger would come out as &!$#%^) The players can choose to de-activate ?obscene if they so choose to. Then they can't complain about racism.

lolol... stop being racist and you'll stop getting banned


I mean, I have ?obscene on auto so it turns it off automatically when I enter trenchwars... but, I don't problem with shit cock fuck balls bitch ass cunt fag... but racism in and of itself is beyond an obscenity

[Kolar]

Couldn't you simulate the load of a couple hundred people with the software? Running subgame and an ASSS test server in parallel would not be the ideal situation.

As for racism rules they would remain. If people can find a way around the current obscene filter they can do it on this also.

We also have a few none staff members who have access to the Base/Wbduel bots so they can start games. And Eventbot can be used to send in requests for Base/Wbduel games to be started.

[Maverick]

Ofcourse ASSS can do more then subgame. I've heard much about ASSS and it can mean much for Trench Wars in means of features and addons.

However, at this point we are hosted at the server of one of TW's owners; Priit K. We may be very thankful for that as he has hosted TW for so long already.
Changing this hosting would be foolish as it would require us to change servers and paying for it ourselves.

It's also forgotten that all bots that are running in TW needs to be migrated from TWCore to ASSS modules as TWCore doesn't run on ASSS well (I believe).

Even if ASSS can do so much and mean another step in the future, I don't see it happening anytime soon.

[Doc Flabby]

hyperspace averages pops of 80-90 at the weekend and seems to be stable. ASSS has come a long way. Remember there are NO bots in hyperspace, so that's all players.

I still think the most compelling arguments for not switching (bots/prittk/unproven with larger populations) have already been mentioned.

I'm coding an extensive project with ASSS at the moment. I suggest all new zones use ASSS, but unless there is a overly compelling reason to switch, theres no point in doing so. The biggest pain is that alot of bots don't work properly with ASSS, a alot of the commands have been changed. (as far as i know)

[project dragon]

Hyperspace does get a large population during great flagging games, but once it reaches around 90-100 people, it does tend to crash a lot. It's happened quite frequently, especially when a freq is going to win and most people in the zone are playing.