Rule 9

[Kolar]

"any of which" is a generalization which points to one, many or any of those clients being used for spec hunting. I don't think it is bad grammar but it's written in a very formal way.

[Left_Eye]

Jesus, I wish my brain was working so I could simplify it like Kolar did. :-\ This is an example of what school does to your brain.

[Left_Eye]

Clearly the rule bans using "any [client]" of some sort to hunt people from spectator mode, as you say, I think we could all agree on that. But it modifies that object with the partitive genitive "of which." So any [client] of [some group] to hunt people from spectator mode is banned. The question is what is that group? You say that it refers to clients in general, but I just don't see how (maybe I'm missing something), because clients in general are never mentioned, only clients which are decribed as multiple and being ran. For example you say it refers only to "clients" in the previous part of the rule (as you mark in red), but that's the very object which is described as multiple and being ran!

It would be like this: "No petting brown dogs or throwing to any of which a bone." Would you read that rule as banning the throwing of a bone to dogs in general, or only to brown dogs? I think it would have to be brown dogs, because the which is referring to "dogs" in the previous clause which are defined as brown ones.

Maybe a general question is better, this previous discussion is all purely theoretical and not really what I want to get at even though I do find it interesting: Who makes up the rules and what really is their intention on this issue?

If you think about it not so theoretically, it's two rules in one.

"9. Running multiple clients or using any of which to hunt people from spectator mode."

1.) Running multiple clients is illegal.

2.) Using any of [the clients] which [are used] to hunt people from spectator mode is illegal.

I think that is exactly what the rule tries to get at, but in keeping the sense of legal tradition, it is made to be general.

[jngy slate]

OMG didn't know this was cheating. Someone spec hunted me the other day because I had a high bounty. I could've had them kicked from the game. :O

[Rudy]

Previously there were seperate rules for both spec hunting and running multiple clients. I found this pointless as a majority of the time when someone is spec hunting they would be using a second client. As such, I consolidated the two and carefully worded the single resulting rule so that it emcompassed the outlawing of both aspects.
Running multiple clients, or using any of the aforementioned clients to spec hunt is illegal. Savvy?

[PH]

That's just a retarded effort at elaborate wording. It's bad English. It's bad communication and that's not worth anything to anyone. The whole sentence is ungrammatical to begin with since it's supposedly an answer to the question "What's illegal in TW?". You can't just separate the two answers with "or" and expect to be able to refer to the first part with "any of which" with no confusion. They're two separate answers. I'd go to my grammar books to construct a clearer explanation but it wouldn't be worth it.

Perhaps the simplest way would be to replace "which" with "them" or if you don't like that, write them as separate rules.

oddly enough, you can thank one of your own countrymen for that gruesome butchering of the english language.

[moltenrock]

Birthday Party, basically, you cannot spec hunt. Ok?

Cool

[Blood]

oddly enough, you can thank one of your own countrymen for that gruesome butchering of the english language.

I'm trying to contain my amazement.

[Ewan]

Sorry. I should make myself more clear. When reading the rule, more in depth, you can see that "using any of which", which is referring to the client aspect. Not the multiple part.

"9. Running multiple clients or using any of which to hunt people from spectator mode."

The green writing is referring to the red writing. I wish I coudl draw arrows, but this is as close as it gets.

So, to make it more clear, the way you should read it is follows:

"9. Running multiple clients or using any [client] of which to hunt people from spectator mode."

On the 2nd part of the rule, you only refer to the client, not the multiple.

Well, I am pretty sure if this was written as an actual law, the masses would interpret the 2nd part referring to "multiple clients" rather than simply "clients".

Why is the "using any of which" even in the rule? It serves no purpose; The rule could easily be written as:

9. Running multiple clients or hunting people from spectator mode.

The adding of "any of which" adds nothing to this rule other than simply making it ambiguous and open to confusion.

[dads revenge]

didn't the original spec hunt rule read :spec hunting is lame but we won't ban you for it.

that was a long time ago though when we had to use dino poop to charge capacitors to run the internetz

[Zerzera]

I can run as many clients as I want, that is none of your business.

[Rudy]

Not here you don't.

[sonlox]

would cords in a twdd count as spec hunting? why can you do it in a twdd and not in pub is my question?

[H.M.S. Stargazer]

would cords in a twdd count as spec hunting? why can you do it in a twdd and not in pub is my question?

Well as much as a pub has its rules, isnt TWD considered a seperate entity? Therefore the rules would be different. On the other hand you bring up a good point.

[DankNuggets]

well in a twd match, you'd probably wouldn't change from spec to a ship and hunt the person that [I]you[I] were spec'ing. I guess it's symantx again, but technically you aren't hunting anyone, the people you're telling the coords to are doing the hunting.