Distension discussion

[roxxkatt]

tagmor, stay in school, youre not very intelligent yet.

also thie time limiting is not a great idea.
viruk, remember in beta when it ran for 6-8 hours, twice a day, and rounds werent limited and usually went 50 mins long?
that shit was SATISFYING.

[TagMor]

First of all, L3 bullets are only a non-guaranteed kill on highly ranked ships that have opted to increase energy, which requires a sacrifice in other abilities. For 95% of players, an L3 bullet is an instant death.

The 5% being mostly terr's, which as I said does nothing but promote camping of the WB.

I don't understand how you can say the Distension warbird is inferior to the pub version, when it has: super, thor, ability to respawn where you die, mines, x-radar, multifire, decoys, etc. Is that really inferior? What do you think would be a fair enhancement to the warbird?

I said it is inferior in the basic elements of speed, manouvrability and firepower. Multifire is useless, 2 mines do little when sharks have shitloads of reps, maybe thors will balance it out although it will probably further promote camping.
I think a fair enhancement for WB would be either, increase the speed/thrust so it can have l3's and be comparable to Pub WB, or increase the energy lvls so l3's can be fired quicker.. Similair to the weasel which can cloak and fire l3's in quick succession..

Well, that's why I said that Distension probably doesn't have a large enough player base to support the 24/7 w/restricted play idea. And no, it would never be 1-2 hours per ship.

The only way to quickly increase the player base would be to make it 24/7. Otherwise you have the situation of a limited amount of people finding it during the strict session times, being stuck in spec, and most likely going back to Pub.

[TagMor]

Don't you remember PH and Aquatic in beta? easily the most two of the most annoying ppl, and they were in wb. they'd sit in the mid base, bounce around full tilt, and shoot/tank ppl on the way to the fr. They were annoying as fuck, and didnt' seem to complain about the underpowered wbs.

Exactly.. I am pretty sure Wb's have since been castrated, so that it is impossible at rank40 to "bounce around full tilt"

[not in game]

No need to get all firey on me, but I'd like to know what it is about Distension that makes it so popular. I don't have much fun playing, but maybe I'm missing something.

[roxxkatt]

currently, the lag limits allow -anyone- to play distension, and they are going to be revised very soon, and !lagout might actually start being used.

what lag limits would you like to see?
im thinking 5% ploss s2c+c2s, 300ms avg, 1000ms spike

[Chasov]

I think 10% packet loss, and 200ms average, no idea on spike

[Stabwound]

Hmm... why is Cheese talking like that? :lol:

[dako]

Current stuff / ideas:

Douchebags such as frightful making seperate aliases such as "Not Frightful" in order to bypass the play time restrictions. Usually, I get to play about 60 minutes in a 2 hour test, this kid just switches on and off his aliases to get the full 2 hours, 60 minutes on each, this comes with virtually no penalty on his main alias, which gets the max time, and also lets him build up a different ship / whatnot on a second alias. There are a couple people who do this now, who seem to think that skimming around the edge of the rules is OK. Why is this allowed? I can't even get Stabwound to do anything about the blantant cheating that goes on, as he doesnt really do anything but start and stop it, I'm pretty sure this can be classified as abusing a bug / bypassing an in-game restriction that was put there for a reason. out of the 1PM-3PM test, I got to play a total of 44 minutes. Which brings me to....

Team sizes are too small. a 6v6 in each base is almost nothing, it only gets moderately interesting when both teams rush one base. We haven't had a problem (ironically enough) since someone started the "someone in staff forcing the crashes" rumor. The other night, there was a 12v12 with more than 20 people in spec. <- me

Oh, and javelin level 2 bombs so not worth the upgrade.

[Stabwound]

Current stuff / ideas:

Douchebags such as frightful making seperate aliases such as "Not Frightful" in order to bypass the play time restrictions. Usually, I get to play about 60 minutes in a 2 hour test, this kid just switches on and off his aliases to get the full 2 hours, 60 minutes on each, this comes with virtually no penalty on his main alias, which gets the max time, and also lets him build up a different ship / whatnot on a second alias. There are a couple people who do this now, who seem to think that skimming around the edge of the rules is OK. Why is this allowed? I can't even get Stabwound to do anything about the blantant cheating that goes on, as he doesnt really do anything but start and stop it, I'm pretty sure this can be classified as abusing a bug / bypassing an in-game restriction that was put there for a reason. out of the 1PM-3PM test, I got to play a total of 44 minutes. Which brings me to....

For one thing, I'd appreciate it you didn't say bullshit like that when you have never even talked to me at all about any of this.

Furthermore, even if you did say anything to me about "cheating", there is absolutely no way to enforce a rule that says people can only use one alias. I'm sorry, but I'm not a magician. Am I supposed to alias check (and I don't even have alias check powers) every single player that enters the arena, and then keep an updated list of who plays using which names and when? Using multiple accounts is not a bug at all, nor is it bypassing anything that was intended.

The only way this would ever be enforced is if Distension accounts were tied to TWD registrations, and I'm pretty sure it's too late to do that without resetting the player DB and having everyone start from scratch.

Team sizes are too small. a 6v6 in each base is almost nothing, it only gets moderately interesting when both teams rush one base. We haven't had a problem (ironically enough) since someone started the "someone in staff forcing the crashes" rumor. The other night, there was a 12v12 with more than 20 people in spec. <- me

When qan lowered the limits he added a command for ops to change the team sizes. Unfortunately, it kills the bot instantly and doesn't actually change the team sizes. It would be nice if it worked, but qan is the only one that can fix that.

Oh, and javelin level 2 bombs so not worth the upgrade.

They're probably like terrier level 2 bullets; not worth it at the rank you can unlock them, but very good after you've gained more rank/energy/recharge.

[DankNuggets]

Oh, and javelin level 2 bombs so not worth the upgrade.

how big is the radius? I mean is your complaint soley on energy cost and recharge? because the levi level 2 splash is pretty big, even if the damage it causes isn't.

remember you'll get shrap too, which makes it much deadlier.

remember that bullet upgrades ususally aren't worth it until atleast a few ranks later

also, being able to bomb from the roof with a jav is going to be exceedingly annoying with level 2's. right now you won't get a lot of stray kills with level one bombs, but with level two's (and a full size team) you'll get quite a few.

[Trunks_rage]

The only way this would ever be enforced is if Distension accounts were tied to TWD registrations, and I'm pretty sure it's too late to do that without resetting the player DB and having everyone start from scratch.

Well can we do something like this then, when it is reset?

Also there is this bug with unlocking weasel. I've lost it a couple times now and earned it back as well, but each time I earn it back I can't access it till Dbot is shutdown and reloaded. Or at least I think that is the problem because it is able to be used at the next session but not at all during the one I unlock it in.

[Peace_Maker]

Well can we do something like this then, when it is reset?

Also there is this bug with unlocking weasel. I've lost it a couple times now and earned it back as well, but each time I earn it back I can't access it till Dbot is shutdown and reloaded. Or at least I think that is the problem because it is able to be used at the next session but not at all during the one I unlock it in.

I thought that was the way weasel was supposed to work. You have to wait till the end of the session or at least the end of the game to use it after you have earned the ship. I still have not unlocked it and have not tried, nor lancaster.

[Trunks_rage]

I thought that was the way weasel was supposed to work. You have to wait till the end of the session or at least the end of the game to use it after you have earned the ship. I still have not unlocked it and have not tried, nor lancaster.

When I unlocked other ships I could use them right away, why is it different for weasel? I can't remember exactly but it seemed that the first time I earned it I could use it right away but when you lose it and earn it back it stays locked. I would think that this could confuse those who unlock it. Now that it has happened to me twice I know what is going on but for new people they might not realize that they will be given access to weasel later on because they can't unlock it initially even though the bot says it is unlocked. Also a general question, does getting a 20 kill streak strip someone else of his weasel even if you already have the weasel? So now that I have weasel again if the 20th person I kill on a new 20 kill streak has weasel, will they lose it?

[Peace_Maker]

I think the person has to be using weasel when you kill them.

[roxxkatt]

neither, in order to remove someone elses wzl, you must:

• not be able to fly a wzl
• kill someone who owns a wzl on #20
• be an officer