Trench Wars... has changed.

[DankNuggets]

Make it its own zone, people might leave for a week or two but they would get bored with it.

Shouldn't be hard to do a help call in EG with http://www.twcore.org/browser/trunk/.../distensionbot.

It might have already been done actually.

They might even know how popular it is and that a bunch of TW newbies would go over there if they did it 24/7.

Who knows, the world is a crazy place.

I'm no expert, but i thought they used ASSS instead of twcore.
Also, please keep trying to split everyone up, it just reaffirms my belief that you won't be content until this zone consists of 4 TWLD squads planning times to come online and dd and do nothing else.

[kthx]

Make it its own zone, people might leave for a week or two but they would get bored with it.

Shouldn't be hard to do a help call in EG with http://www.twcore.org/browser/trunk/.../distensionbot.

It might have already been done actually.

They might even know how popular it is and that a bunch of TW newbies would go over there if they did it 24/7.

Who knows, the world is a crazy place.

[roxxkatt]

If you want to work on growth of the zone (and not just the Distension playerbase), then you and roxxkat should put your heads together and focus on fixing pub, while staff works on making Distension stable.

why the fuck would we waste our time improving something when idiots like you will constantly bitch about it?


sound familiar?

[DankNuggets]

im attacking you now because youve resorted to trying to change the zone i have 10 years invested in. you are trying to change the very basics of the zone i have been a part of for 10 years... and then youre telling me to "get with the times" or some bullshit.

can you tell me this:
is there a reason you dont want distension to be removed from TW altogether? if it can do what youre saying, it has a big enough following to make it a zone. by all means please do that. dont make this sort of change to the zone that ive been a part of for so long

1st off: congratulations, you've reached rock bottom if all your argument consists of is "don't change the game i've been playing for 10 years". You've managed to change the situation from us coexisting peacefully, to us changing the game (which changes quite frequently, i'm not sure which changes you think are OK, and which aren't). This isn't the only situation, and I now think you guys are escalating this more than I am. Remember what I've been pushing for the entire time, it tends to get lost:

"Distension ran 24/7 as an arena visable in the esc+a list. The arena limit would be 50, allowing 40 people to play, and 10 to wait in the queue or just watch. Players would be limited to 2 hours (or 3 or 4 or w/e) of playing time in distension per day."

If asking for one arena that at max could hold 50 people is changing YOUR game too much, then I think you are mistaken. How is that changing the basics of the game. Quit putting other people's suggestions with mine, and then attacking them like I came up with them. If you have the same convictions against the what I've suggested in red above, then we've reached a point where we've drawn a line in the sand that neither one of us is going to cross. I think that's pretty damn fair, and I'm not going to concede the playing time of people who like what I like, just to get one more forum user to cross to my side of the line.

2nd: Yes there's a reason that I don't want it to be it's own zone. There's a few. The first one being that I don't want to see TW lose any more players. Say what you want about it's amazing ability to keep people coming back, but you can't deny that making distension it's own zone would seriously impact TW's population. It could lower it to the point where purepub never runs, nor base, nor elim. Also, it would be bad for distension, as it would eventually loose players (like all zones, TW included) and then both zones would have lost players for nothing.

Don't advocate for Trenchwars as a zone, by suggesting to remove a consistant 40-60 from it. Hopefully you aren't serious.

[veetee]

DankNuggets is spectating this forum 24/7 in case someone engaged distension. I must assume this is an arena of his life.

In conclusion DankNuggets is stupid.

[Zeebu]

I understand the point about Chaos Zone having different settings, but I think it's unfair to compare the experience, as I hope you will agree they're not the same at all (or with the other zones).

this is why we should all give distension the respect it deserves and give it its own zone.

[DankNuggets]

I am not sure if you were able to comprehend my point. Allow me to elaborate.

The reason why camping is the most used tactic I do is because my ship is extremely slow and powerless. Camping is the fastest way to receive kills which in turn gives me experience for levels.

I suppose I play(ed) it for the sole reason of having a high rank. I am competitive in this game. I do not feel the need to discuss this further.

The whole thing about chaos zone is that it differs in ship settings, as Distension is with TW settings. You can throw in whichever zone you like, everything servers under the same point I try to make.

i comprehended it, but to be sure, I'm not attacking it per se. I think you acknowldged that I comprehended it by agreeing that we play it for different reasons, and you don't need to defend them to me. I think they're a valid reason to play, but that type of play doesn't lend itself to distension.

Ship speed is really easy to upgrade, and there's no reason to be "slow" at rank 11.

Once again I'm not attacking you for camping, but realize that that's not the most rewarding way to play distension, it makes into a straight RP grind.

I understand the point about Chaos Zone having different settings, but I think it's unfair to compare the experience, as I hope you will agree they're not the same at all (or with the other zones).

[Zeebu]

well don't be, because from what i've gathered, a good many don't think so differently from me.


i'm actually glad you've been derailed to attacking me instead of distension, maybe i've actually done some damage control.

im attacking you now because youve resorted to trying to change the zone i have 10 years invested in. you are trying to change the very basics of the zone i have been a part of for 10 years... and then youre telling me to "get with the times" or some bullshit.

can you tell me this:
is there a reason you dont want distension to be removed from TW altogether? if it can do what youre saying, it has a big enough following to make it a zone. by all means please do that. dont make this sort of change to the zone that ive been a part of for so long

[Jones]

You feel you need to camp, because you're still under the impression that W:L matters, or that you have to play it like a ?go base game. I'm not going to argue basing theory or any crap like that, but I have a similar level spider, and I do not camp. Quite frankly, I feel that you're being selfish by doing that, and don't care about helping your team do things like kill enemy terrs or capture the flag. Not that killing enemies isn't helping, but to say that's the only thing you can do is just stupid.

Basically you're just playing not to enjoy the game, but to have the highest ranked ship. What can I say, maybe you are doing it wrong. But hey, if the reason why you log into this game isn't to do things like level up, then why play distension? It's not the only part of TW, why not help some of these other people find dds or play some ?go base. Somebody's got to wait there until there's enough people.

If all you want is elimination style play, or level teams with ship restricions, then you're not going to enjoy distension, I'm sorry. I'm glad you've given it enough time to make an educated decision though, something that not a lot of detracters are willing to do.

ship doesn't explode after one hit? i'd suggest playing something other than wb... it's nothing like chaos zone, but if you want people to leave TW, keep showing them the door.
[sarcasm]
Afterall, we know as a fact that research shows it's easier to just get new people to come to the zone than to keep the people you have. Proven axiom of business. [/sarcasm]

I am not sure if you were able to comprehend my point. Allow me to elaborate.

The reason why camping is the most used tactic I do is because my ship is extremely slow and powerless. Camping is the fastest way to receive kills which in turn gives me experience for levels.

I suppose I play(ed) it for the sole reason of having a high rank. I am competitive in this game. I do not feel the need to discuss this further.

The whole thing about chaos zone is that it differs in ship settings, as Distension is with TW settings. You can throw in whichever zone you like, everything servers under the same point I try to make.

[DankNuggets]

dank, the more you talk, the more thankful i am that you do not make any decisions on running the zone

well don't be, because from what i've gathered, a good many don't think so differently from me.


i'm actually glad you've been derailed to attacking me instead of distension, maybe i've actually done some damage control.

[Zeebu]

dank, the more you talk, the more thankful i am that you do not make any decisions on running the zone

[DankNuggets]

As for distension, no harm meant to the creator, I am just wondering what the fuzz is about, i'm a level 12 spider or so and I have concluded that camping is the only option available for me. Even if I was level 30 I still would camp the shit out of everything because the amount of weak ships - and people who cant aim/control energy - is outstanding. With that said, the skill required is as small as possible, it will never be as fun as ?go base and beyond. The reason why I even log into this game is because it doesnt have a level up system, if I wanted that I would play Final Fantasy series instead.

If you want to play with different ship settings where your ship doesnt explode after one hit I suggest logging into Chaos Zone.

You feel you need to camp, because you're still under the impression that W:L matters, or that you have to play it like a ?go base game. I'm not going to argue basing theory or any crap like that, but I have a similar level spider, and I do not camp. Quite frankly, I feel that you're being selfish by doing that, and don't care about helping your team do things like kill enemy terrs or capture the flag. Not that killing enemies isn't helping, but to say that's the only thing you can do is just stupid.

Basically you're just playing not to enjoy the game, but to have the highest ranked ship. What can I say, maybe you are doing it wrong. But hey, if the reason why you log into this game isn't to do things like level up, then why play distension? It's not the only part of TW, why not help some of these other people find dds or play some ?go base. Somebody's got to wait there until there's enough people.

If all you want is elimination style play, or level teams with ship restricions, then you're not going to enjoy distension, I'm sorry. I'm glad you've given it enough time to make an educated decision though, something that not a lot of detracters are willing to do.

ship doesn't explode after one hit? i'd suggest playing something other than wb... it's nothing like chaos zone, but if you want people to leave TW, keep showing them the door.
[sarcasm]
Afterall, we know as a fact that research shows it's easier to just get new people to come to the zone than to keep the people you have. Proven axiom of business. [/sarcasm]

[DankNuggets]

FTR, I don't want it on sundays and never have. you say you're just explaining why people don't want it on sundays, but HMS is pretty much the only person who wants it on sundays, and that's out of the principle of sticking to a schedule more than "getting 2 more hours of rpg points for my spaceship".

If you think I'm getting paranoid over you not reading my posts, it's because you keep restating the reasons why it shouldn't be on sunday, when I've posted just as many times that I don't want it on sunday (and no one's disagreeing with me). There's also an entire thread about it being on sundays, so for my sake and everyone else's, I won't mention the word "sunday" again.

Don't worry, I'll be patient. But it's no secret that pretty much the only thing keeping me playing this game is distension, so I won't be logging in to spectate any TWL matches. I'll still get bored with distension from time to time and play some pub, or maybe a dd if i'm not axed by then (might have to settle for a wbduel). Really that's not all that different from a lot of TWL players, who only log in to do that.

And believe me LB, I don't think it's anything more than a fun way to play continuum. Evidenced by the fact that I haven't played since Friday. Not just because of the shitty schedule, but because there are other things to do. Please don't belittle my attempts to defend this game by making me out to be some sort of hopelessly addicted distenion(whateveryouwanttocallpeoplewhoplayit), because that's really a low blow more up wark's alley. I'd assume you'd defend anything you felt was getting a bad rep too.

[Jones]

Trench Wars needs to keep TWL and TWD as it's main priority, sooner or later this zone will have such a small playerbase (regardless of what you do) that praccing with friends/squads will be the only option, all in preparation for TWL.

As for subarenas, you will need Pub as the main attraction for new players who log in. I have posted in another thread about this. Secondary arenas would be the following:

Wbduel/Javduel/Base
Duel/Elim(merged with baseelim)

With that said; Hosted events can be left intact. Although I suggest a decrease of number of events hosted each week. Hosted events should focus on Deathmatches (all variations, no super) warzone, Tournaments etc. You see the pattern of focusing on events that are useful for twd/twl. There are several other events that can prove to be enjoyable, like hockey zombies, these are fine but stuff like warpwars is stupid.

As for distension, no harm meant to the creator, I am just wondering what the fuzz is about, i'm a level 12 spider or so and I have concluded that camping is the only option available for me. Even if I was level 30 I still would camp the shit out of everything because the amount of weak ships - and people who cant aim/control energy - is outstanding. With that said, the skill required is as small as possible, it will never be as fun as ?go base and beyond. The reason why I even log into this game is because it doesnt have a level up system, if I wanted that I would play Final Fantasy series instead.

If you want to play with different ship settings where your ship doesnt explode after one hit I suggest logging into Chaos Zone.

[Liquid Blue]

Really, I feel that it is old and elitist. Or just unappealing. And yes, I do believe it has no chance for growth. Prove me wrong next year when there's more squads invited in each division, or if you don't have people complaining about how "this year's squads aren't as good as last years...".

I don't have to prove you wrong, it still being the prime event of the zone (that still gets hundreds in for matches) after 4 years of a rapidly declining population speaks for itself. You're still in the line of thinking that TWL has something to prove, it doesn't. Players of Distension are not doing anyone a favor by "allowing" TWL to play on sundays or get their schedule slashed for TWL. TWL deserves priority, because it's been a constant blockbuster event for the zone for years, Distension has not.

If you want to work on growth of the zone (and not just the Distension playerbase), then you and roxxkat should put your heads together and focus on fixing pub, while staff works on making Distension stable.

what? I can't believe you didn't read THE NEXT LINE. You know, the one where I said if you don't think distension is so great and will be so popular, then you've got nothing to worry about (assuming you're worrying about it anyway). You'll get what you want: people playing 'your' events instead of distension. What I can't believe is that you're taking the time to say I'm skewing anything when you only read 10% of anything I've posted. Not asking you to read every post, just finish the one's you're gonna quote me on. I gave more than one opinion on it, and the how one might react to it in the future.

I'm reading all of your posts which is why it's a shame that the more you post about Distension, the angrier and more hard-bitten you get about the game, ranking it up higher and higher in your mind like it's some Jesus revelation. The next lines reinforce my point more where you try to act like Distension is a new drug for the zone and it will be a hard, dug in effort to pull people into "boring" twd matches after we've taken away Distension.

That's not more than one opinion, that's just you rewording your earlier opinion.

Honestly, I think all of you are making a huge fucking deal about it, and I wish that you'd LEAVE US ALL ALONE and let us play our distension in peace. Obviously since that's too much to ask, maybe you can let us at least play it sometimes.

"Leave us alone"? "Distensionites"? You guys are having some identity issues, and you're being overly dramatic as well- just like your other posts. Instead of using extreme analogies and overblown dialogue, just chill the fuck out and play Distension when you can. Yes your schedule is being jumpy and it's going to continue being jumpy seeing as how it still has kinks that need to be worked out. It also needs to be clear of TWL and just run on other days.


BUT OBVIOUSLY since it's too much to ASK OF A NEW AND UNSTABLE EVENT, we should just let you all play Distension in peace 24/7 and the good times will roll

new people will log in by the hundreds, keyboards will grow lollipops out of the ends, Distension will cure cancer and all those old crotchety twl farts will finally realize it's best to let the new unstable event run whenever it wants!

wacky kids.

Why do you insist on being dense? If you'd fucking read what I've been writing, you'd see that I agree it's not a good idea to run it before TWL, but since it's a MOOT POINT ANYWAY, maybe you can get over it?

How about you take 5 seconds, breathe in because you saw something about people who play Distension agreeing with me, and read the quote you flipped out on again.

People aren't afraid of Distension running before TWL because it's "great'. They don't want it running before TWL because it's unstable. There are plenty of options available and one of those is not "let Distension full spread it's wings and potential and let it become the most popular aspect of TW". That shit is ridiculous. Instead of saying shit like that and then pounding on wark, how about you just focus on the fact that TWL is important to alot of people who both play and don't play Distension, and all of them agree that it shouldn't be hosted on the same day as TWL.

Do you see anywhere in there, me saying " Dank you're dumb for saying distension should run before twl on sunday"

Nope!

It's me explaining why people don't want Distension to run before sunday, not that I'm pointing my finger at you saying why you're wrong and you are a terrible person for wanting it to run on sunday. I was explaining why people don't want Distension to run before sunday. Not that you kill babies, or that I think you want it to run on sunday, or that wonder woman is in love with batman and not superman.


You've latched on to the idea that I'm not reading your posts so hard that your monitor is breaking from the strain and you can't actually read what I'm telling you.

While I don't particularly enjoy TWL, I DO NOT WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO HARM IT. I just want to be able to play distension . Everyone is getting so worked up because it's a bit harder to find dd matches now that they're making it IMPOSSIBLE for me to play WHAT SO EVER. So maybe you can see where I'm a bit more outspoken on this.

That's a shame and half the time I think that you, Vehicle and Zeebu are the best-spoken distension players that put out the most balanced and thought-out posts in the distension discussion. It just seems that you sometimes let wark get you riled up and you start saying shit I disagree with.

I understand that there's a fun part of the game that you want to play but aren't able to right now, and I don't have any other advice for you than to be patient. Staff knows that alot of people like Distension right now, and I'm sure they're trying to work out a good schedule for the European and American Distension fans, you just have to wait longer. It sucks but I don't know, find another game or hobby to have some fun with.

You guys will still get to play TWL NO MATTER WHAT: whether I get what I want, or you get what you want. The difference is I don't get to play distension when you guys have your way, so I'm pushing my POV a bit harder these days. Really, I guess I was expecting way too much for a little compassion. Thanks to those who've offered it.

Well you have to understand that TWL has been aruond for a long, long, long time. It's also really fucking popular, so it's going to get precedence over a "new" (read, played for under 2 years) event like Distension. It's a logical and albeit unfair, part of life for you.