Worst Pub Settings Ever

[Mela]

they would need to hire a ton of new mods to babysit pubs.

I volunteer to be the first TK watcher! I could have <TK> or something similar next to my name. Man that would be cool.

[DankNuggets]

Until then, everyone please join me in shamelessly laming levs at every opportunity. We cannot vote them out right now, but we can at least make them work hard for that 20 bounty, so that only the most dedicated levs remain. A spider with antiwarp is very effective; it keeps them from doing The Portal & Rocket Trick, does not let them attach, and makes them sitting ducks. It's more efficient than a weasel. Vote for earwarps and turn on the anti at round start so that all enemy LTs have a very good chance of being annihilated with everyone else in the FR.

This isn't some new fangled policy, it's the norm. Unless the pub is completely dead, there's always people going around trying to spawn kill levis, until they eventually give up and sign off.

A spider with antiwarp just to "lame" people in a levi? First off, buying anti-warp is a lot more expensive than even greening yourself with repels. You aren't going to win that battle in the long run, especially if there are types of enemies. Second, whereas most levi "laming" is impersonal (random blue bombs), this spider "laming" is entirely personal and mean spirited, designed to get players to quit. No different from using a cloaker to spawn levis.

So in the end, it would seem that a lot of the anti-levi crowd are "lamer" than the people they'd apply that label to. Instead of fighting fire with fire, they completely forgo the basing game just to hunt and annoy specific people. That's a lot more honorable than LTing, let me tell you.

This is what we call a balance, where both factions keep themselves in check. Unless you go back to a purepub, you're going to have to deal with the fact that it won't be 100% basing all the time, and you'll have to deal with other stuff.

Noah's right that most of the time ?cheater calls are slow to be answered, and rarely result in any kind of action against the tk'er. I think some of it is because: people are using it for accidental tks, which is like crying wolf; people are intentionally tk'ing and then quit when they notice a mod; there aren't any mods in the pubs; or the mods simply give a lot of leeway with it because it usually regulates itself.

I kinda disagree that there aren't any mods in the pubs, but I do agree that they're pretty lenient when it comes to warning/banning, but that does stem from the fact that as person making the complaint, you only see one side. you don't see if the other person was warned or not.

I know most of the time I have a problem with TKs, it's actually from a jav who's trying to TK the LT. Usually that requires preemptive ?cheater calling before you die, and it's obvious from the chat lines and a few seconds of spectating that they're trying to TK the turret. Yet they're never banned and I can't tell if they're warned or not. Much worse IMO than accidental or negligent levi TKs, yet no action is usually taken that I'm aware of.

Dank, I can't agree with a single one of your points. Levs prey on the basing game while simultaneously ruining it, and that is why I hate them. But this is not the thread to rehash the lev debate. What we're asking for here is at least one purepub where we can have no levs, as soon as possible.

well some people think x's and javs do the same thing, and i guess that's why they're part of the restriction votes. even warbirds do too, but they're not restricted.

if they can get the levi restriction vote in both pubs, and actually restricting those ships instead of just saying it, then I don't see the problem. If enough people want to play the purepub, they will vote in those options. I've never seen a vote that had the whole arena population, and rarely do more than 10 ppl vote. If you can't get 6-7 ppl to vote in those options, you aren't going to have the purepub game you want anyway.

But as I can see, this isn't the best time to bring up the levi debate. At the same time, I'm not going to let it go completely unvoiced while it's being vilified. It's central to the debate, but if we want to keep it to bringing back the old settings or keeping the voting, I guess I can keep with that from now on. Just don't go hating on my LT brethren.

From here, I think it may be best to go to the alternating pubs, where zero goes from pure to levi every few hours or days. That's minimal confusion compared to the voting which can change settings every 5 minutes. It's fair in that both sides get equal time and space. It's not ideal in the sense that we hold democracy above everything else, but it is fair.

[Noah]

Cry, cry, cry. I probably have been playing pub more than anyone else here. These things get voted on and the basing game almost never surpasses the votes of the dueling/LTing community. Whiny forum goers that dont play pub dont get taken into account when making pub changes (i hope). If you truly want to bring change to pubs, play them and be part of the process. Crying here about what people want who you dont even know isnt solving anything

EDIT: you already have a purepub with no levs. When it goes away at night because no one is playing you only have the one pub with an overwhelming number of duelers. When I logged on in the reverse situation that top pub would have very few people in it because lots of players enjoy private freqing. Stop applying your preferences to a whole playerbase

no u

I agree


What should be changed

• The pub map you enter when starting TW should be the 2 TEAMS ONLY MAP WITH NO LEVI'S
• that's it

[Izor]

It's annoying that we got levs in pub 0 despite almost everyone on this forum wants to pure pub. Why isn't the views of a forum goer being considered? We had a thread filled with stuff about pure pubs, and the only thing Dads did with that was to tell us to go into the game on a certain pub dev chat. He didn't do anything with the actual feedback we had produced there.

Cry, cry, cry. I probably have been playing pub more than anyone else here. These things get voted on and the basing game almost never surpasses the votes of the dueling/LTing community. Whiny forum goers that dont play pub dont get taken into account when making pub changes (i hope). If you truly want to bring change to pubs, play them and be part of the process. Crying here about what people want who you dont even know isnt solving anything

EDIT: you already have a purepub with no levs. When it goes away at night because no one is playing you only have the one pub with an overwhelming number of duelers. When I logged on in the reverse situation that top pub would have very few people in it because lots of players enjoy private freqing. Stop applying your preferences to a whole playerbase

[Noah]

There is no real skills involved for a lev to get 20 bounty. Get to the safe and buy some of the shit that costs 500 to go one up. You'll get to 15 while you travel to the safe, and then you need 2500 points.

What's even easier is to just get a friend to protect you to the safe, and then have him change freqs so you can kill him.

The minimum bounty attach limit does nothing as long as you're not logging into this game for the first time.

[CaptainPoopface]

I agree that the pubs are in dire need of fixing. I don't think these are actual settings; this is the result when the bot with voting functionality goes awry. Levs everywhere, with purepub getting the proverbial broomstick up the ass sideways.

It's a disaster. When the voting bot works, it's great, but when it fails, the game suffers much more. Since it seems arduous or otherwise time-consuming to fix the bot right now, is there any way we could revert to the previous bot settings? No voting of any kind in purepub, and if RoboBoy is alive at all, levs are automatically disallowed in purepub, and players can set !warp. When whatever needs to be fixed gets fixed, then we can try the voting bot again (it needs some tweaks anyway).

Dank, I can't agree with a single one of your points. Levs prey on the basing game while simultaneously ruining it, and that is why I hate them. But this is not the thread to rehash the lev debate. What we're asking for here is at least one purepub where we can have no levs, as soon as possible.

Until then, everyone please join me in shamelessly laming levs at every opportunity. We cannot vote them out right now, but we can at least make them work hard for that 20 bounty, so that only the most dedicated levs remain. A spider with antiwarp is very effective; it keeps them from doing The Portal & Rocket Trick, does not let them attach, and makes them sitting ducks. It's more efficient than a weasel. Vote for earwarps and turn on the anti at round start so that all enemy LTs have a very good chance of being annihilated with everyone else in the FR.

[Noah]

Why don't you translate this hate into a ?cheater call and get the fuckers banned or warned for TK'ing you.

For now I'm just going to comment on this part alone, since I haven't read your entire post yet. I understand how you feel this will be better, but sadly I think it is impossible for staff to do this consistently and fair. I've done many ?cheater calls and pmed that TK bot with whatever, but I haven't seen staff stepping into a pub like that in AGES. If staff is going to take on the job to make sure that levs aren't TKing asshole like they are 90% of the time, they would need to hire a ton of new mods to babysit pubs.

I do think that if I could rely on staff always removing the TKers then I'd be willing to go with levs. What you're saying isn't bad or wrong, it's just not realistic and too idealistic to be a viable thing to go with.

[Raver420]

Levi Power! We just blow shit up

[DankNuggets]

just trying to help, asshat. believe it or not, some people actually like levis.

What?... I was playing last night and private freqs were disabled but we couldn't disable the levis. We had 4 levis at one time in the flag room teamkilling everyone. So that's just plain wrong. Can't rep a friendly levi bomb. Oh, and how often do levis fire straight up at a cram? They usually fire from outside the base even when private freqs are disabled.

Well if you took a few seconds to read into what I was writing, you'd realize I meant enemy levis. But you probably DID realize that, and chose to twist my words anyway (worst points ever...). No shit you can't control the # of people on your team that choose to be levis, but if you have 4 ppl as levi TK'ing each other, where the fuck is the mod? Why don't you translate this hate into a ?cheater call and get the fuckers banned or warned for TK'ing you. That, or it's not a big enough deal for you to take the ONE minute or so to do it. Afterall, it will help in the long run to dissuade people from TK'ing in general. Hell, maybe they don't even realize it's wrong.

I said "firing straight up the cram" because that's pretty much the only way a 2-frequency LT is going to get a lot of kills. Roof shots are easier to block, as they have to be lined up a little bit longer and tend to hit the edges of the FR, causing less damage. Cram shots can be set with portals, for maximum carnage. Also, you've somewhat shown my point (worst ever) that levis CAN be basers, as they were controlling the flagroom. If four of them can crawl up their on their own, they must doing a pretty good job of controlling the base.

I agree, it is a waste of basing resources. I want to base against people, not babysit a flag room/mid-base that is empty and just wait to get killed by 3 levi bombs at once that I never saw coming. So I really shouldn't be happy about that. That just means the basing team leaves the base to kill the levis and end up warbirding in spawn area. BORING and not basing at all.

jeez, all this wanting to base but not having enemies, boo-hoo. If basing is the only thing you care about (kinda vague, i guess the style of game play?) then ?go base. I mean, it's one aspect of pub, albeit the main one. If it's all you want to do, that is 100% basing, just ?go base.

If you're babysitting a base, consider changing frequencies, because the opposition obviously could use the help. i don't want to sit in an enless fr battle any more than i want to get killed by random blue bombs i didn't see either, to each their own. LT play revolves around the base, IT IS BASING. You don't see them dueling each other below the bottom safe, or trying to spawn every player they see.

As far as "making the team leave the base to attack the LTs". I think this is pretty funny, as most of the time those players relish the oppurtunity to hunt a player with high bounty that's hard to kill. It wouldn't take more than ONE warbird to patrol the roof, and they can also get their and back pretty quickly. Roof javs are more annoying anyway, and much more persistant in their camping.

Purepub can be just as BORING too when no one's trying to win fr. Just because the settings restricted levis, doesn't mean the basing was non-stop 15v15 FR action. In reality, it was often just as dry and boring as the levi pub's, with a good many people in spec or just goofing around in the spawn.

Edit: By the way this thread wasn't to debate pub settings but more of a public cry for help. I haven't talked to anyone on forums or in-game that enjoy these current "settings", if you can even call them that.

I never said I enjoyed them either, so include me in your list.

The point is (worst point ever) that people do enjoy playing as levis, evidenced by your recent experiences with them (four on your team alone!). As is life, you can't please everybody. But you can try to please them, which is what the voting tries to accomplish.

It's not perfect, but rarely do you get anything right with one shot. Let them fix the bugs in the voting, and expand it so that you can vote to restrict levis in pub 0. Give it some more time to work, and gauge the reactions after people have had time to become aquainted with it.

[Kontrolz]

Dank, you just gave some of the worst points I've ever seen.

why not make the flagroom harder to bomb? I mean, it would certainly take away some of the fun of LT'ing, but it seems no one cares about that anymore anyway.

i don't see why so many people complain that levis ruin basing, when it's other factors that ruin it. Private frequencies for one. With no private freq's, you have one or maybe two levis to worry about, and you can't tell me that you don't have a shark capable of rep'ing a levi bomb coming straight up the cram.

What?... I was playing last night and private freqs were disabled but we couldn't disable the levis. We had 4 levis at one time in the flag room teamkilling everyone. So that's just plain wrong. Can't rep a friendly levi bomb. Oh, and how often do levis fire straight up at a cram? They usually fire from outside the base even when private freqs are disabled.

LTs are a 'waste' of basing resources, and you should be happy the other team is playing as them instead of as terr/shark. I thought the FFA experiements in ?go base confirmed this, that it was ineffective to hold base with levis. It's also a bit ineffective to hold with 10 wbs too, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be a viable option if a team so chooses.

I agree, it is a waste of basing resources. I want to base against people, not babysit a flag room/mid-base that is empty and just wait to get killed by 3 levi bombs at once that I never saw coming. So I really shouldn't be happy about that. That just means the basing team leaves the base to kill the levis and end up warbirding in spawn area. BORING and not basing at all.

Edit: By the way this thread wasn't to debate pub settings but more of a public cry for help. I haven't talked to anyone on forums or in-game that enjoy these current "settings", if you can even call them that.

[DankNuggets]

levis can be basers too

why not make the flagroom harder to bomb? I mean, it would certainly take away some of the fun of LT'ing, but it seems no one cares about that anymore anyway.

i don't see why so many people complain that levis ruin basing, when it's other factors that ruin it. Private frequencies for one. With no private freq's, you have one or maybe two levis to worry about, and you can't tell me that you don't have a shark capable of rep'ing a levi bomb coming straight up the cram.

LTs are a 'waste' of basing resources, and you should be happy the other team is playing as them instead of as terr/shark. I thought the FFA experiements in ?go base confirmed this, that it was ineffective to hold base with levis. It's also a bit ineffective to hold with 10 wbs too, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be a viable option if a team so chooses.

levis spawning in the ear warps are stupid, yes, but i don't think anyone should be earwarping. Or at the least, they should be forced to activate it with !warp, instead of it being automatically on. Really, I find the entire earwarping a big clusterfuck with the # of ppl in pub anyway, and I'd prefer that it was only available as a voluntary !warp if it has to be in there at all.

Team kills are a part of the game. I find that I'm much less annoyed when I get tk'd, even by another levi on the same turret, than i do if i get spawned by a cloaker. You can't tell me it's any gayer to lob bombs from a turret than it is to cloak kill people without xradar. Yet they are both integral parts of the game.

IMHO levs are incredibly counterproductive to basing but I think it's silly that an entire ship has to be disabled in pub. Am I the only one who would like to see them replaced with distension-style levs that actually have a place in basing? (distension levs have poor handling but high max speed, and low damage EMP bombs)

[Noah]

It's annoying that we got levs in pub 0 despite almost everyone on this forum wants to pure pub. Why isn't the views of a forum goer being considered? We had a thread filled with stuff about pure pubs, and the only thing Dads did with that was to tell us to go into the game on a certain pub dev chat. He didn't do anything with the actual feedback we had produced there.

It's FUCKING annoying that when we're atleast given pure pubs in the second pub, it's hardly there anymore.

[Pressure Drop]

I agree

Yesterday I just stopped playing and logged off because despite having to vote to disable levi’s they were still there blowing the crap out of everything because it’s got a bug in the code or some crap – completely ruins the game – and these changes as well as switching the pure pub has made me play pub a lot less :/

But in general the voting system is not that great even when working – it’s a lot of hassle to get the game set up. If the bots die etc it’s all reset, if not in the old pure pub it slowly but generally heads to autowarp/no levs (when code not bugging)/no priv freqs and depending on numbers of javs they are restricted/unrestricted anyway.
However the time taken to get these results is such that it’s another reason not to bother pubbing.

Not only this but it adds another level of complication to the game to confuse new players who we are trying to encourage and the vocal minority of whiners start shouting newbs etc and spaming up when a vote doesn’t go their way which lessens the general pub atmosphere for them.

It seems retarded to have one pub where you can’t vote to disable levs and then the old pure pub where you can vote them in … so basically this is a change weighted against pure pubbing …