What to do in Trench Wars when you don't play Distension?

[Downfall]

In the end, you guys are nerds => I'm not.


Enjoy



Go write a program, morons.

Soupero cant handle arguing with people that can write long posts. Taking the nerd exit.

Distension is so popular because it has a set time to get hosted and all the distension lovers are waiting for it to come on. If we gave distension its own 24/7 pub it wouldn't be so popular all the time. And people would leave it for a TWD game or tourny knowing that it will be there when they come back. But now when distensions only up for a few hours and when we need 1 more beep for bd, that guy is playing distension and wont leave because its not gonna be hosted in a long time blah blah.

I hate distension but this would be a better move

[Reaver]

I agree with what Nockm was saying earlier, I don't like distension but because enough people do like distension, keep it going. Also, a couple people mentioned the importance of pubs and the focus it should take and I couldn't agree more, we all started in pubs. But what surprises me the most is that when I quit staff a couple years ago, the last point I emphasized was a tutorial to give people a feel for the game and get them started, and to this day I still think there isn't one. It doesn't matter what changes you make to the game, if someone new starts playing and there's no guidance to show them how to play (the help messages aren't enough) then we'll lose people that way too. Also, before anyone replies with something retarded, I'm not saying that there haven't been people that started playing and picked up the controls without any help, all I'm saying is that if we make it easier to learn the game it's one less reason to push people away.

[DankNuggets]

Nice work there, but you'll need a sample size much larger than 21 to be taken seriously by anyone competent More interviews plox (if you can be bothered).

it's a work in progress, plus cpt pooface has done ones that i dont' have access to. hopefully we can get a lot, and by a lot that's still probably under 100. it's not as easy to get ppl to stop playing and talk as putting up a poll on the forums.

just figured it was relavent to the discussion at hand, i'm by no means done, just don't have a lot of time to devote to it.

In the end, you guys are nerds => I'm not.


Enjoy



Go write a program, morons.

[roxxkatt]

Seriously, I haven't seen a single person against Distension that doesn't come up with completely fabricated bullshit to use in their arguments.

finally, someone else besides me noticed. ^_^

I am the only one that runs and looks over Distension and was re-hired to staff specifically to do so. I guess I should apologize for running it competently and on schedule each day?

I'm sorry, but the point your trying to make (that TW staff cares only about Distension) is completely senseless. While it may be true that the zone was dead, it had NOTHING to do with staff's involvement with Distension as 99% of staff puts zero effort into it at all.

You're an immature idiot.

Tourny is NOT off because "faggots" want people to go to Distension. Actually, Distension IS NOT EVEN RUN DURING THE DAY ON WEEKENDS. It's run at 1am EST, which you may recognize as a time of day when TW is dead and there's fuck all happening. Did you even look to see if Distension was running when tourny wasn't (because this was NOT the case)? Tourny was down because the bot server was having issues. Please be less of a toolbag. Thanks!

I have no problem with people not liking Distension or being against it, but the problem is that 95% of these people are complete fucking mouth breathers. Seriously, I haven't seen a single person against Distension that doesn't come up with completely fabricated bullshit to use in their arguments. You'll be listened to once you come up with a sound argument.

Thanks bro.

[Liquid Blue]

The bots problems over the past few days should be fixed from what I was told. Moot is no longer working on Publics and I would like to get someone to focus on that, if anyone has some ideas let me know.

I'm not saying we should have ship upgrading, TW isn't that kind of zone. BUT it might be a solution to highly powered weapons like Levi Bombs (Level 3 Bombs). A Distension like-bot solution might be able to do that. The end result being there being no need to restrict Levis, Timer Pub or Pure Pub.

Edit: I can switch up Pure Public to Public 0 and see how that works out, neither is the default for players but people generally filter into Pub 0 regardless. If the population splits to Pub 1/2 then it could be a strong indicator that Levis and Lev Terring are wanted. It does take a lot of team work to Levi Terr also so we shouldn't forget that, even if they're not compatible with Basing.

I don't know how it would work in terms of staff abilities or whatever, but I think if one person can't be decided on to help improve the pubs, a few people should form a committee to try and get some positive changes going. I've said before that Cpt. Poopface has been eager to help and has some great ideas, and I know there are a few others that wouldn't mind helping at all.

I've been suggesting for about two months to have a test pub go up weekdays just to try out ideas like the one you have. I don't know how well it would go down, but that's what a test pub is for, to try out ideas and see how the community likes them.

Lev terring is wanted by some of the community, but so is a pub without levis. I can understand if the bot breaks down, shit happens but all the more reason to have a few people dedicated to pubs so fixes that are needed like that can happen alot quicker.

Get new players to stay, then if that works make sure the leagues/elim-arenas work and then if you have any time left make some events that have nothing to do with TW at all, for all I care. It made sense that there were a lot of new events being created everyday when TW easily had 400-500 people playing. But right now it doesn't, you should focus on getting the basics to work properly again.

I agree with you and have been trying to advocate this for months.

Stab I know you've had to deal with alot of bullshit whining but just as there are a few people that are unwilling to compromise and think Distension should just be ripped from the zone, there are also a few Distension players that have been just as immature and vocal. It's a fact of life that in this type of game and community, we're going to have to deal with immature "mouthbreathers". Hopefully the ones willing to work towards a positive solution can overcome the selfishness and tunnel vision that some people on both sides are having.

The last thing TW needs is to have the community turn on itself, especially at such a critical point where population is low, and communication/ organization are not as smooth as they could be.

[Stabwound]

So it's Europe's peak time in Trench Wars on a Friday night. No basing in public (there's a public of 40 but it has.. brb counting: 8 levi's and 3 LT's) base is down and no events are hosted.

Except of course Distension which receives daily dedicated hosting like no actual Trench Wars events.

--Logging off at 9pm.

I am the only one that runs and looks over Distension and was re-hired to staff specifically to do so. I guess I should apologize for running it competently and on schedule each day?

I'm sorry, but the point your trying to make (that TW staff cares only about Distension) is completely senseless. While it may be true that the zone was dead, it had NOTHING to do with staff's involvement with Distension as 99% of staff puts zero effort into it at all.

Distension sucks
Aquatiq sucks
whoever made distension sucks



Seriously, tourny is off just because you faggots want all the people to go to distension.

Assholes.

I agree with zerzera.

You're an immature idiot.

Tourny is NOT off because "faggots" want people to go to Distension. Actually, Distension IS NOT EVEN RUN DURING THE DAY ON WEEKENDS. It's run at 1am EST, which you may recognize as a time of day when TW is dead and there's fuck all happening. Did you even look to see if Distension was running when tourny wasn't (because this was NOT the case)? Tourny was down because the bot server was having issues. Please be less of a toolbag. Thanks!

I have no problem with people not liking Distension or being against it, but the problem is that 95% of these people are complete fucking mouth breathers. Seriously, I haven't seen a single person against Distension that doesn't come up with completely fabricated bullshit to use in their arguments. You'll be listened to once you come up with a sound argument.

[roxxkatt]

why not have a poll bot

with multiple polls


in pub

[Nockm]

ok i went through the interviews and here's what i got

Nice work there, but you'll need a sample size much larger than 21 to be taken seriously by anyone competent More interviews plox (if you can be bothered).

[DankNuggets]

Maybe you meant people have been asking to switch pub 0 to the purepub and make the Levi pub the 2nd one? I'll get back to you later today after I look through the interviews I've conducted and let you know what the ppl in pub have been asking for. Off the top of my head, the ususal reponse to 4) Which pub(s) should allow levs? goes along the lines of "all", "just one", and a few "none", in that order. I don't think ppl care too much whether it's the first or second pub, as much as they care that at least one pub has levis.

ok i went through the interviews and here's what i got

People who want levs in pub 0 43%
People who don't want levs in pub 0 24%

People who want levs in purepub 19%
People who don't want levs in purepub 29%

People who think levs should be in no pubs 5%
People who think levs should be only one pub 5%
People who think levs should be in all pubs 19%
People who think levs should be in all except one pub 67%


that's with 21 responses. capt. pooface has some more, but i didn't have access to them at the time.

[Kontrolz]

REINSTATE GUANOBOTf

^^^^^^^

[Dabram]

I've never been one of the ones saying give Distension it's own zone or anything like that, I simply think pub should be given a large focus, because it's the main arena of the zone

Granted I haven't had the time to log on in the past week, week and a half due to IRL stuff, but from the way people are posting in the topic it doesn't seem like the constructive fixes that looked like were starting to gain speed in terms of pub have faltered or stopped.

The pure pub bot keeps breaking down, is that's whats going on? Can we please get someone to fix it then?

Amen, pubs are the first arena (new) players enter. Pubs have pretty much been on the decline for the last 5 years if not longer. Apparently staff still think all the (retarded) side-events have priority over leagues and even pub. It should be the other way around.
Get new players to stay, then if that works make sure the leagues/elim-arenas work and then if you have any time left make some events that have nothing to do with TW at all, for all I care. It made sense that there were a lot of new events being created everyday when TW easily had 400-500 people playing. But right now it doesn't, you should focus on getting the basics to work properly again.

That means I'm not saying Distenion sucks (I never played it and won't) but it obviously took staff a shitload of time to create and to keep it going. That time would've been much better spent at fixing TW's main problems. With that, Distension only made TW's biggest problem worse, by dividing the population even more. Like I said too many times before already: the population should be brought together, this is easiest done by having fewer arenas/events available, not the other way around.

Lol roxx

No, I think the game is stupid and I rather see people play belimbeta,elimbeta or tourny.

It was way better 4 years ago.

[roxxkatt]

If you put distension in another zone, and current players go to that zone... isn't that likely to make TW less active?

Qan ruled out moving Distension to another zone

It's limited to about 4 hours a day so I think you guys are exaggerating the effect it can have on the zone's other arenas

people I know would have quit the game by now... As far as I'm concerned that's +1 for us

^these are they in a nutshell



Vtypical anti-distension whiner remark in response:

I wouldn't care, I rather see them leave than staying in TW.