Stuff I've noticed in TW pubs lately...

[Troll King]

I don't think this is necessarily just a "newbie" problem. At least, not directly. It's also a case of established players not wanting to play with them.

Besides, it wasn't always like this. Even during the first major population boom, when TW started to get triple digit numbers for the first time, or broke the 300 barrier, these problems did not exist, at least not to this extent. I don't think it's a matter of the scale being larger in today's population either.

[Zerzera]

Well I think that communication in a team and decent lineup inside a pub-freq are signs that people are playing serious, and know what they are doing. If there is no communication or the decent lineup either the people don't care, or they don't know how to base effective.
I did not study the subject, in my opinion there was hardly ever fanatic basing in public unless someone puts some real efford in starting it.
What I usually do is find a pub that is full enough and one team is just hanging around in base. If there is a terrier I will try to get people to help him, if not I will ter myself. Mostly you need some spamming before people stop what they are doing and help you.
When enough people are getting involved it is just a matter of asking for a shark, and tell people to rather spider than jav.
When doing this it shows that alot of people are willing to put some effort in basing, and when you finally get the base you get responses as: gg guys, well done.
Most of the time the action doesn't last all that long, because when a flagroom is full of action people want to levi.
The levis take the basers spot and so the teams decreases. Then when a levi had a few mayor strikes people are no longer motivated and leave basing for what it was. (Go hunt the LT).
I guess you must enjoy the action while it lasts.

[CorpseCreator]

Pub chat?

Hey,
How about we start a chat so that experienced players can coordinate playing in the pub arenas if they want to. I think it would be a good way to help the pub arenas improve. Let me know your ideas.

[za gophar]

things i have noticed:

1. friggen warbirds dont know how to fight, none of them. NONE OF THEM! AHAHAHA

2. none of the other ships know what they are doing either, but 75% of any given pub will be warbirds and the others are dumb too.

3.

$%#$%*%^ whatever i dont care. there should be pubs where people can spawn and duel and there should be basing pubs (with some sort of safe zone so no dueling and spawning goes on)

[pv=nrt]

i am too busy killing lts

[Zerzera]

Re: Pub chat?

Originally posted by CorpseCreator
Hey,
How about we start a chat so that experienced players can coordinate playing in the pub arenas if they want to. I think it would be a good way to help the pub arenas improve. Let me know your ideas.

I don't have any chats free, I allready got the max. I don't think you need a special chat to coordinate base in pub. With one or two people you can get pub players to get involved in base if there is none.
When I get the feeling that either my frequency or the other is to weak, I just ask people on my chats to come and join in.

Edit: what happend just now.
Zerzera enters pub 0 -> flagroom is empty -> Zer ters and gets people involved -> Zer leads great flagroom battle, coaching the ignorants -> Certain person comes by and sees full flagroom -> person thinks: EZ KILLS!!!! -> person hops in lev and kills my team -> my team suddenly doesn't like flagroom anymore and quits.
Is it not possible to put a bot in public 0 that disables people to use the levi?

[Zloy]

Re: Re: Pub chat?

Originally posted by Zerzera
I don't have any chats free, I allready got the max. I don't think you need a special chat to coordinate base in pub. With one or two people you can get pub players to get involved in base if there is none.
When I get the feeling that either my frequency or the other is to weak, I just ask people on my chats to come and join in.

Edit: what happend just now.
Zerzera enters pub 0 -> flagroom is empty -> Zer ters and gets people involved -> Zer leads great flagroom battle, coaching the ignorants -> Certain person comes by and sees full flagroom -> person thinks: EZ KILLS!!!! -> person hops in lev and kills my team -> my team suddenly doesn't like flagroom anymore and quits.
Is it not possible to put a bot in public 0 that disables people to use the levi?

Sun Tzu said: sortie a roof terr and warn your warbirds to attach when needed, and you shall never be LT'ed

[GuruMeditation]

Da Goph : Method and I had a nice little battle in the middle of a basing battle. He managed to get almost 90 bty. You just don't know where to look?

Troll King : The simple solution that wouldn't work : Playing guide. A few rough tips on how to play Trench Wars. Why it wouldn't work? There is a playing guide for SVS Leagues. People still make the same basic mistakes despite that guide being availible. It doesn't bode well for the utility of such a guide.

[Acidmouse]

It would be nice if staff tried to develop the pub arena's a bit more, or try and help become something more fun (Promote actually basing).

Maybe its me or do all staff just bitch all day about what to with racism in the zone? Staff shud be there to help develop TW for majority of players and pool their thoughts (and not their ego's) for positive things.

[GuruMeditation]

Originally posted by Acidmouse
Maybe its me or do all staff just bitch all day about what to with racism in the zone? Staff shud be there to help develop TW for majority of players and pool their thoughts (and not their ego's) for positive things.

So many things to say that will just be ignored, or shruged off and replied to with "you were on staff before, you did nothing then, why should we listen now?".

[za gophar]

god this is pathetic. i swear it is impossible to try to do anything in this zone without getting cloaked or bombed the shit out of. i hate cloakers and i hate levis but especially cloakers. no one likes them. i talk to people who play other zones and they all think tw sucks big dick cause of the levi and the cloaker too. today i decided to get a good record and my efforts were constantly hindered by oppenents i cant see and who are too lame to get in a real ship. honestly the cloaker does nothing useful in this zone at all. it is so inefficient at killing i dont know why anyone would fly one other than to piss people off while getting easy and meaningless kills. great, trenchwars is the only zone with a ship for pissing people off. MAKE THAT two ships. i guess we're REALLY unique huh. the vast majority of the most important players of this zone say that the levi is a piece of shit that ruins the fun in pubs and yet its still there doin what it always does... killing people who got too close to a wall. tking people and not even giving so much as a "sry." im not gonna take it up the ass from that ship any more, from now on i tk people who tk me. it only makes sense, they never get punished for it anyway. playing 20 minute basing games is fun but not all the time, i need a place to go to have some good clean playing and pub is not providing that.

[Troll King]

I've noticed more and more weasels in base now too. Perhaps it's because the terrs have stopped checking for them. I don't mind basing weasels, actually. As a shark, I find them to be an interesting challenge with their reps. The only weasels I do mind are those who spawn with them. I figure, if you're going to shoot someone when they spawn, you don't need an invisible ship to do it.

[Fit of Rage]

Re: Re: Pub chat?

Originally posted by Zerzera
Is it not possible to put a bot in public 0 that disables people to use the levi?

Well? Is the man right or what? It's the best fucking idea I've heard all day.

[Blue Thunder2003]

agreed

I agree with all of you. The weasel and the levi should be changed to make trench wars a little more fun. And Zh's and ER's should start putting a little more time into helping the newbs out instead of "having to" host many many rounds of zombies or DM, which really are fun dont get me wrong. I mean, all these newbies that are coming in are the future of trench wars, and personally, im seeing the future of trench wars go down the drain. I played trench wars alot just before we hit the big 300. Those were the good ol days. Everyone helped everyone out in pubs, with only a few trash talkers here and there. I then discontinued playing for about six months. When i got back into the game i noticed these two things:

1)increase of average players by about two hundred.

2)the pubs sucked

And they STILL arent as good as they used to be. We need to bring Trench Wars back to its full potential, cause this definately isnt it.

[sTuPiD-gErBiL]

don't knock on the ZH's. i've been asking some really tough, bizarre questions lately (some not even pertaining to tw or ss at all), and they've been relentless in answering them.

if anything, they should be commended. i've never seen any other zone be able to help me find an official post regarding why the original batman tv series isn't on dvd yet (thanks Mr. 420 - ER) or how to get sweet deals on crocodile dundee-style hats (thanks warthog).