Stuff I've noticed in TW pubs lately...

[geekbot]

Originally posted by Reclusion
The past few times I've been in TW, I've noticed a full ?go base arena... Just an idea as to why pubs are sucking...

GO GO ELITIST BASING!

?go base replaced ?go #myth. It did not take anyone away from pub. TWD may be a reason for better players not being in pub, but when my squad doesn't have a match, I wait playing in pub.

Originally posted by za gophar
perhaps ?go base should have a bit more variation. in elim and baseelim, there are several games players can pick from.

?go base is awesome and should not be changed (except for a maybe a 100k point cap.) If a freq has 100k points in a 20 minute game, it's time to end the game. If you want basing variations ?go basingmarathon or get someone to host other maps.

[za gophar]

sheesh just trying to put ideas on the table. and yes some people should be forbidden to play THEIR favorite game once in a while so OTHERS can play THEIR favorite game. A lot of people love spider elim but dont even bother voting for it cause warbird elim always wins anyway. second i may have er friends but i wouldnt want to impose on them... if they wanna host it they will host it, but they rarely do anyway (xcept for the marathon, that was cool). next, i put a "???" next to warzone style cause i did not know how or if it could be pulled off. if it were to be pulled off i think it would be very fun though, having all of the best playing in a warzone game instead of the many average players that play it when it is hosted. and i dont think your hz analogy works too well either considering the settings would be standard tw. also i think it would make basing in pubs more popular and i dont have the attention span to explain why.

overall i think your response was a bit too harsh, you know it wont happen anyway. if the same thing had been said by certain other persons your response prolly wouldnt have been quite so bitter. i think i remember you expressing your hatred of ?go base at some time anyway.

[Stabwound]

For fucks sake, leave ?go base the way it is. You might find it boring, but there is almost always a game going on, so obviously you are alone in that opinion.

Pub fucking sucks, because there is nothing that makes people base. In ?go base, you either base, or you get subbed. In pub, retards just fly around and spawn things all day. I'm not going to go into the other shit, because it's been said 100x already. Pub is fun if you don't want to base. If flying around in a WB and shooting ships that are typing is your game, then pub is for you.

[Verthanthi]

Originally posted by za gophar
sheesh just trying to put ideas on the table.
No one is attacking you. I am only attacking your ideas. Let's start with that

...and yes some people should be forbidden to play THEIR favorite game once in a while so OTHERS can play THEIR favorite game.
Why should the masses suffer for the privledge of the few? (I'm so red.)

second i may have er friends but i wouldnt want to impose on them... if they wanna host it they will host it, but they rarely do anyway
<ER>s host. They have to. Besides, they don't have feelings. Stop fretting and demand things

next, i put a "???" next to warzone style cause i did not know how or if it could be pulled off. if it were to be pulled off i think it would be very fun though, having all of the best playing in a warzone game instead of the many average players that play it when it is hosted.
Most good wz players I know head over to wz when it gets hosted. So a bunch of people are playing who aren't as good as you. You want elite wzing? Talk to some <ER>s about getting that wz tourney working. No reason to make an another map for something that already has plenty of variation.

and i dont think your hz analogy works too well either considering the settings would be standard tw.
Yes, it does work (Unless .?go hockey is different from hz, which I don't beleive it is). My point was that adding warzone to .?go base would be a poor substitute for the real thing. Also, I was taking a little dig at wzball.

also i think it would make basing in pubs more popular and i dont have the attention span to explain why.
Then I'll continue thinking that it won't. Unless you're saying that by making ?go base shitty, people will return to pubs. In that case, I might agree with you

i think i remember you expressing your hatred of ?go base at some time anyway.
More likely than not, I was expressing disgust for what ?go base has done to the basing community (made it more like elim than #base). I hate that it has increased the number of people who are signifgantly better than me. But neither of those problems will be remedied by making it into a multigame arena.

[ZeUs!!]

Why does everyone say basing has ruined since it went public? If enough people felt like that it would go private again, and it hasnt. People are still basing, the same people are still there, and the newer people dont tend to get picked. I dont see the problem.

[phYst]

id play bae if an entirely different pub map were there...after playing on that map for a yr it gets pretty boring...and theres no nu shots to find or strategies to use ..its all the same stuff over and over again...i think the map should be completely remade ...this way the vets will go there and actually want to base...

[bloodzombie]

zeus is rights. Some people just wanna be part of some secret underground thing.

the only difference in base is that at the very beginning, the games were super high quality because they only started when there were a lot of hardcore basers on. but then everyone found out about that arena and the games happened more often, but they were diluted.. and it hasn't really changed since then as far as I can tell.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Mobey
Hahahaha no way, i think i can live with them going to TWLD but not TWLB

Actually it would be the exact opposite.

It's so freaking rare for a newbie to get good in Birds.
But a newbie squad can do base easily, as it hardly requires raw skill, just teamwork.

[Jonas]

Originally posted by Ruby
It's so freaking rare for a newbie to get good in Birds.
But a newbie squad can do base easily, as it hardly requires raw skill, just teamwork.

First of all, define "newbie"
Second, a "newbie squad" can have "l33t" players.

[WiseCherub]

I have been playing TW for 3 weeks, and it is probably my favorite zone. I mainly play pub arenas, and have tried others....but I like to play in arenas with lots of players.
I guess I'm a noob, oh well.... I have been playing video games all my life, and SS is a pretty straightforward game..... Try to play Xpilot.....ugh so many keys.....

However, I'm starting to find TW Pubs boring in some ways.

*I wish there was variations of the PUB arena map; not
saying get rid of this popular map.

*I liked the Easter MAP. At first I hated it, but the gameplay
was fun and it put your piloting skills to the test.

*The PUB map has too much open area, wish there was more walls to make piloting play more challenging....most player dont like that...as in the Easter map. But it makes the gameplay
more balanced...I'm a better pilot than an aimer. Seeing a LT combo just sit and fire all day at entrance walls; makes me sick...when I see that; I go on no mercy lev hunting mode.
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Yes, I agree a lot of players don't use freq comms enough which could greatly help with teamplay. However, typing too much is not too wise, cause in PUB everything goes.....I considered the ethics, but I just said to hell with them if others are going to go around doing spawn/type kills. I guess its kill or be killed; being polite puts you at a disadvantage.

I can't stand weasels, and no one warns? As I read this message thread; now I know Terriers can detect with Xradar...

Fortunately, most new players don't know how to effectively use Weasels. I admit, I mainly pilot with the Warbird since it is straight forward to use and find it comfortable to fly with. As I play more, I might look into other ships.

Well I can't question the rules/style of TW; I'm just suggesting
that it would make my day (or others) if there was alternative TW PUB arena maps.

Thanks for considering....

-WiseCherub.

[Mythrandir]

Originally posted by Cherubim
Seeing a LT combo just sit and fire all day at entrance walls; makes me sick...when I see that; I go on no mercy lev hunting mode.

Jesus loves you!

[Troll King]

Here's something else I've noticed in pubs, but not just recently. It has always happened.

Situation: A freq has the flag. Base is relatively secure with 4 ships in flag room defending while 3 others are engaging the enemy in lower. Everything's fine so far, until a single enemy jav starts firing from the roof. Even though it's obvious that his range of attack is significantly hampered by the narrow upper left opening, ships crowd around the jav bomb's line of fire. People die.

Players' assessment of situation: If that jav kills us, we won't be in the flag room anymore.

Players' immediate reaction: Send all 4 ships that were in the flag room (including the only terr) outside to the roof to deal with that jav. That'll teach him to try to get rid of all the ships in the flag room.

Enemy's reaction: The defending ships in lower are overwhelmed, and when they try to attach to get back in, find themselves hurtling to the right of base.

Flag status: Turned over to opposing freq.

Time elasped: 2 minutes.

Number of self inflicted blows to the head of the shark pilot after seeing this series of events: 7.


All this because of 1 jav. ONE single ship that could only kill people who try to stand in it's way.

[Acid Tank]

Those things what Troll King said are facts. Many peoples just fly as a terr and do no check cloackers. Peoples does not use team/freq radio any more, that is true too. New players should start playing with Warbird, Lancaster or Spider, but this is just my option.

[Mobey]

Originally posted by Mythrandir
Jesus loves you!

Dont be greedy Jesus loves everyone

[WiseCherub]

Well I had a good session in pub arena today. Some of the Terriers actually warned us about those weasels and communicated it. I totally agree, freq comms is important.

Effective freq comms can go far in maintaining flag room; can give your freq a big picture idea where/what the enemy/baddies are upto.

Okay, I only have been playing SS for 3 weeks, use to play Xpilot...heh

But luckily someone was nice enough to educate me about attach.... Did I miss out on a lot.... Attaching sure adds another element to the game.... I didn't understand, I thought you have to be on top of a terrier in order to attach??.... duh, just move ticker on Terrier ship...F7... simple... how dumb of me...

As for ROOF problem..... When I first played, I thought...hmmm do some psy-ops on the flag room.... piss the flag room ppl off, make them loose their concentration. Make them think you are some total noob and make their base javs/levs try to get you..heh..

Sad but true, so many players fell for this psy-ops strategy. Like I could go up there with a WB, shoot at a wall.... making a shot sound... and high nerve players would freak out. Meanwhile, their flag room is under attack. However, some players aren't as stupid to fall for this; so I have to apply other strategies.

I know it's nasty, but hey you have to do what you have to do to win.

Thanks for listening.......

-WiseCherub.