the new weasel settings

[Smart Bomber]

Cloakers are way too powerful now, I'm going to play cloaker for a day.

[Depili]

I think that the new weasel is impovment, but maybe take away the rep or the rocket.

And for ppl that are saying that there now is way too many weasels flying around, it has a simple explanation, the settings are new, and everyone wants to give it a try, same happened when the lev settigns were changed.

(and still, our 3 ppl freq which included only one terr and no jav managed to easily keep 5 cloakers at bay)

[WiseCherub]

What prompted these recent changes? Some players
complaining about how limited their favorite ship is? Or
to evolve TW pub, and try to find the best balance?

Why do only a select few ships get changes? What about the others?

My thoughts on recent changes....

Levys should have atleast 1 or 2 repels, or perhaps XRADAR. Now with the new weasel settings, levys are screwed.

Yes, I think the weasel changes will be a catalyst in making terrier pilots more responsible.... use the damn XRADAR and warn us.

I wonder what other changes will be made in the near future...hmmmm?

It is in my best hope, that the staff strive to make the game as balance as possible. Where ship features/devices aren't solely the reason for good stats, but also skill (or how you use them) will be a big factor.

I now wish that Warbirds could atleast buy XRADAR, or have some other extra device. Because now when a WB snipes, their in danger of weasels..... so WB pilots, obviously dont stay stationary for too long, or your dead meat.

JAVs should be faster or have less draining xradar.

Okay, there has been recent ship changes, what about
MAP changes or have an alternative public map? I wish there was more structures, so it gives the spiders/lancasters more of a chance.

Enough said, later all...

ps: These are merely suggestions, not demands....

[za gophar]

who cares about levs, we want them to be screwed. really! they suck! slow their bombs down or something at least.. jesus. thats the only good thing about the cloaker. there are so many fucking cloakers now that the levis are screwed. thats the only reason why tho, it really has nothing to do with settings. in fact hunting a lev is quite a lot harder. with 800 energy that thing can take 2 shots max from a terr. sometimes 1. but im not saying the cloaker is good. in fact its downright awful for hardworking duelers and basers too, cause realistically there is not always a terrier in sight. some people DO care about their recs you know, and it really isnt easy getting a good one when u got people killing you from out of thin air. in fact, imagine a world without cloakers at all. no great loss. really, how many people will truely miss it? 2 percent? no one likes that 2 percent anyway (lol) cause they are always laming. the fact of the matter is, this zone doesnt want or need that shitty ship--things will be so much better without it. this game is doing fine without a theoretical ninth ship... if the cloaker had never existed in the first place no one would have ever even felt something missing.

i guess that this would not go with the levi. perhaps it would be missed by too many, even though it really serves no purpose for the game other that meaningless killing sprees. I can see why people would be angry if the levi were lost.. i feel like i have lost every ship now with the cloakers though. cloaker was the only ship i played today, and levi was the only ship i killed. i cant play when i cant see my enemy--call me a shitty player.

main point: the cloaker is not in anyway needed in this zone. no one but a couple lamers would really miss it a week after it was gone. the vast majority would be quite satisfied if it were scrapped completely. who says this god damn zone has to have 8 ships anyway? the cloaker has one objective: kill people who cant see it in the pubs, AKA lame them. never been used in any matches. it wont end up being a "sneaky assassin (as if pub cloakers think of themselves as that. they just want easy kills)" either. just keep it for ?go cloaks. that would be way cool.

[WiseCherub]

If you had arena only for weasels, no one would see each other..heh... Yeah, have an arena where weasels cant fire...heh...just joking...

In other games like Xpilot, every ship can cloak if they get the item. But but... when you pick up more and more cloaks your cloak ability increases..

for example;

I have level 1 XRADAR, I could not see a leve 2 CLoaker.

Cloak adds another element to the game, and makes the XRADAR device handling a new skill.

I object to the new weasel size change, but I still think they are useful. The new size change, makes TW pubs very odd.....and unbalanced. I wish there was a 1 tile (Ship pass-thru detector),
so you atleast have an idea if a base sneaked into base.
For example: If a weasel passes thru narrow slot, the tile would light up (change color) for (1-3 minutues).

I have never LT'ed, but I can see why some people think it is fun. I agree there should be some limits....like LTs should not be allowed to warp or portal... atleast they cant be lame chickens.. fire fire.... then take off. But not sure if this game is flexiable enough to put such settings.

if(terrcombo==LTcombo)
{
player->terr.warp = WARPOFF;
}
else {
player->terr.warp = WARPON;
}

Yes, a simple solution would be to get rid of Weasels and Levys; but we would lose some elements of the game. Okay some may hate these elements, but there is others who do like it.

Maybe have a per FREQ weasel limit? So only the good weasels play, and all the lame weasels are kept at bay.

Not everyone who plays this game is gifted with fast reflexes or eye-hand coordination.

As much as I hate levs and weasels, there must be some higher up reason for their involvement and won't argue about it. I just want as balanced TW Pubs as possible; lopsided TW Pubs will ruin it and drive players away.

[za gophar]

higher reason for involvement of weasels and levis: they exist in other zones, so they have to exist in trenchwars. however their tw creators ran out of ideas and started to get a bit whacky when he made these two ships and that's why they are here.

and i think u meant seconds on that one idea, not minutes. the best idea though was the limit on how many of a certain blue ship there could be. still though its not worth it. lets ditch that lame ship, no one respects it and it serves no purpose.

here are some advantages and disadvantages:

advantages of axing the X:
1. a better sense of balance among the ships.
2. people will not feel they are getting lamed by that stupid ship any more. (thats a big one)
3. forces players to fly a more meaningful ship, putting more meaning into each arena.
4. if will make bery many people very very happy.

disadvantages:
1. a handful people will be sad to see their laming machine go. others might miss it a little, but not for long. i would also have to question how long these people have been playing. i used to defend the cloaker saying it worked hard to get what few kills it could and it was hard to fly. I was a stupid newb back then, and that was when i had like 500 hours. it really starts to wear thin as your usage rises, or it did in my case.
2. levi hunting will be a bit harder for people who used to do it in cloakers. yeah, how much harder is it to kill a levi in a warbird than in a cloaker? heh.

lets say goodbye to it. we can always make the occasional visit in ?go cloaks, which, by the way, is a hosted event, cherub.

[WiseCherub]

I hardly ever play weasel myself, so I wouldn't miss them that
much.

I doubt they will get rid of them, and they do add variety to the game.

To make it simple, I don't like the 1 tile weasel.

From now on, if I play on a freq with newb terriers who don't use XRADAR..... and say "ATTACH to BASE defend!!!!" I'm gone....
because being inside the flag room base with inexperience
terriers is SUICIDE.

They should let WBs now be able to buy XRADAR!!!

[sTuPiD-gErBiL]

this is from a pure baser's perspective. duelers and rec whores need not apply or comment because these settings do not pertain to your interests:

out of all 8 ships available, the only ships that ever get used in true basing matches are warbird, javelin, spider, terrier, and shark. that's 5 ships out of the 8 that are available. my goal is to find ways of getting the 3 unused ships (weasel, lev, lanc) incorporated into pure basing somehow.

my ideas to bring these ships into proper basing form:

weasel: shrink to one pixel and turn the weasel into a pure terrier-hunter using sneaky means to compensate for its shitty ship stats. hence the shrinking down to one pixel and allowing it to sneak into the flagroom.

lev: remove the 20 bounty attach requirement and reduce the bomb damage to 500 and turn the bombs into EMP blasts. thus turning the lev into a utility ship that stuns the enemy ships' energy and allows your teammates to invade the flagroom easier.

lanc: there's three different options available for this ship:
1) give it antiwarp so it can patrol the spawn area and keep ships from attaching to their terrier. but the antiwarp would cause severe energy drain and prevent the lanc from abusing antiwarp without equal vulnerability

2) make lanc bullets bounce twice, thus turning it into a jav minus the splash damage but with the ability to pull insane snipes. not a very good option, but will make it 100x more useful in hardcore basing than it already is.

3) give the lanc 1 thor's hammer per spawn. it's guns are already only good for defending itself, but the thors would be nice to sneak a few terrier kills here and there. other than that, the lanc is pretty weak on its own.

[Rudy]

I played terrier today for about 4 hours straight and had some of the best fun in months. There were so many cloakers I only got killed by an LT once, maybe twice (in 4 hours!).

The cloakers were so persistent in infiltrating the base that I got over 300 bty on several occasions before you could say, "They came...from...behind!"
Their ability to fit through one block tiles is great. Instead on relying on intense flag battles or lucky bombing from outside, the terrier has to face a new threat of x-termination.

The only sad part of the equation is how the weasels look like nothing more than little blue triangles instead of detailed 2d spaceships. But if that's the price to pay to keep the little blue monsters in the works, I'll learn to live with it.

[Noah]

I think the new Wark-penis sized weasel is gay

[za gophar]

from a pure baser's perspective? wtf? how much do u play pub? there is not much teamwork in pub. put them in ?go base, fine.. you pure basers want them then you should have them, but pub is a well rounded mix of basers, duelers, and "rec whores" which really isnt a great name for them. to my, getting a good record is only part of what im doing, i just have to be satisfied with it. its not the reason i play.

they arent gonna help jack shit in pub. they just make it much less enjoyable for people who tend to like the individual aspect of fighting AS WELL AS the teamwork aspect. ?go base = pure team work. Pub = some teamwork, some indivdual fighting. weasels dont work in the pubs cause the people who fly them do not use them in a team progress way. at all. so i think duelers and rec whores DO need to comment because these new settings do pertain to them quite a lot.

[sTuPiD-gErBiL]

Originally posted by za gophar
so i think duelers and rec whores DO need to comment because these new settings do pertain to them quite a lot.

duelers and rec whores just got their dreams answered by 2d's duelbot. let's move on to pub.

there shouldn't really be such a drastic difference between pub and ?go base. private basing was started by pubbers who got tired of having people on their team who didn't know what they were doing and wanted more of a challenge. so if anything, pub and ?go base should be similar except for it's only 8v8 and the people who play base are usually more skilled at their respective ships. any setting that's used in pub should be carried over into ?go base.... and vice versa, since they are the same game.

[za gophar]

duelers and rec whores just got their dreams answered by 2d's duelbot. let's move on to pub.

thats just plain faulty logic.

besides, why is it so necessary to have this ship "help base" anyway?

[Dameon Angell]

While we are in a transition with the new ship settings, why don't we experiment with new public maps? I had an idea for one a while ago. I think it would be cool to do one where both teams start on the sides of the room and have to move to the center to get the flag and hold it, a la RAGE Ground Warfare.

[Blue Thunder2003]

The New X isnt too bad. I have only played as it once to see what it was like... but after being killed by one a few times, i came up with this idea. Get rid of the damn spread.

Weasels now are fairly hard to hit, and a weasel using its rocket that is firing right at you doest help a whole lot. I think if they got rid of the spread, the weasel wouldnt be as strong as it is now.