Pub (from a 10 year pubber, who pubs exclusively, does not league)

[blackrazor]

I've watched pub for many years. Played it. Loved it. At times pulled my hair out over it.

My style is basing, but I still base when LTs lurk. I don't cry over LTs, little weasels, bricks, or w/e.

My biggest issue, by far, is being on a team with a bunch of strokers, who sit in mid, with their shiney javs and wbs, taking the occasional shot, never pushing into fr. For them, pub is a spectator sport, and mid is front row seats. Then we have tking javs that love to annoy, or practice their trick shots on their team-mates. And sharks that mine the tube or spawn, so there are no mines left to guard the flagroom entrance.

I can't even begin to describe the ecstasy when two basing motivated teams coalesce in pub, and duke it out for the match. Pure joy and madness.

My recommendation, is the following:

1) Make pub with two default freqs, 1 and 2.
2) Make two extra freqs, 3 and 4, that players can join.
3) Allow the team-leader on freq 3 and 4 to kick players back into freq 1 and 2. Team-leader is the player with the most flag claims, or most flag points, or some similar basing metric.
4) If you want, you can give some bonus for being on freq 3 and 4, like spawning fully prized.

The objective here is to have players actually have to switch freq from 1 or 2, to 3 or 4, and to be accepted by their team-mates, in order to be on a decent pub basing team. Staff might love this too, because instead of spamming ?cheater, we can just kick the offending player off our team, ourselves.

[RATTY...]

No, you suck. And whatever you suggested suck.

[kthx]

Yeah son, welcome to the mean streets of tw forums.

[Jason]

what's wrong with being a stroker?

it's only natural, ya know

[RATTY...]

Someone tell me; what happens when "two basing motivated teams coalesce in pub"? Or do I need to pub for 10 years to understand?

[blackrazor]

Wow, I've been quadruple trolled with spam. It's okay kids, it just rolls off, and I respawn.

Anybody want to add something constructive or intelligent, for or against? I'm game. I know that most of the active forum posters worship league as their god, and pub is for shits and giggles. But I like pub, so heck, I thought I would post something to try and get us basing there more often.

As for when it happens that we get two pub teams that want to base? More often than you would expect. But less often than you would hope.

[Ilya]

tell me more

[RATTY...]

Wow, I've been quadruple trolled with spam. It's okay kids, it just rolls off, and I respawn.

Anybody want to add something constructive or intelligent, for or against? I'm game. I know that most of the active forum posters worship league as their god, and pub is for shits and giggles. But I like pub, so heck, I thought I would post something to try and get us basing there more often.

As for when it happens that we get two pub teams that want to base? More often than you would expect. But less often than you would hope.

I didn't troll , your suggestions fucking sucks big time.
I didn't troll , your suggestions fucking sucks big time.
I didn't troll , your suggestions fucking sucks big time.
I didn't troll , your suggestions fucking sucks big time.
I didn't troll , your suggestions fucking sucks big time.



Seriously. Giving regular players the ability to kick players off team?

[blackrazor]

Seriously. Giving regular players the ability to kick players off team?

The idea got some positive response here:
http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthr...l=1#post757887

What's wrong with "regular players"? Only team leader (flag claims or flag points) would have this ability, and only on extra frequencies, not the "standard" 1 and 2 that everyone starts on. We need some method to get dead weight off of a team. TKers, spawn roamers, mid sitters ... basically everyone not basing, could do whatever they are doing just as happily on freq1 or freq2.

So besides "it sucking", what _exactly_ is your objection to players having some control of team formation on extra frequencies beyond 1 and 2 ?

[Nockm]

I like what you're trying to do with your idea. What do you reckon about the following?

Let me get this right, there'll be 4 teams, fighting each other?

I hate it too when you're trying to take over base, but people aren't even attaching. That happened to me last night; we had the same quantity of players on each team, but we were outnumbered 2:1 in FR.

However, one thing I do like about pub is that you can do whatever you like (except teamkilling), it's kinda relaxing and fun in itself. Last thing I want to happen after say, collecting 1000 greens in a cloaker is to be suddenly kicked and lose everything. Allowing people to kick, and be kicked is also one sure-fire way to create hostility between players. Have you ever been on the wrong side of a mod's decision before?

I like the pros of your idea but right now they are outweighed by my personal cons.

[Cornelius]

if you like to base so much, why dont you get off pub and play some twbds...

[paradise!]

Someone tell me; what happens when "two basing motivated teams coalesce in pub"? Or do I need to pub for 10 years to understand?

can you just go kill yourself?

back to this thread:
sounds like a decent idea to me. most of these guys who think it's a bad idea have never been a pub terr trying to get base, and having javs in mid lob bombs up main base entrance. especially when youre trying to beat the timer, frustratin shit lemme tell ya.

but as usual, players like RATTY.. who don't play, and even when they did play, never pubbed: are the most vocal people in this thread.


and yes welcum to mean street tw forum, where an idiot like ratty... will spam threads trying to convince you he's NOT a troll.

[blackrazor]

Nockm, I totally understand your concerns, too. I suppose if someone wanted to LT or bounty in pub, they would stick to freq1 or freq2, where there is no option to be kicked.

EDIT: Also could make it that when you get dropped back to freq1 or freq2, you warp to safe, with all bounty and prizes intact.

Cornelius, I pub because it's immediate and accessible, without political baggage. I can come on anytime, and just play. And I don't have to worry about pissing anyone off in pub that might wind up haunting me for years later on TW ... cough *vys* cough. I read his post to evildeed; people are still screwing with him on official ladders, even now, when he's doing nothing against the rules. I don't need that hassle. Probably the reason I have lasted so long enjoying TW, is because pub has insulated me from a lot of the stuff that gets people so angry and vengeful around here.

[blackrazor]

most of these guys who think it's a bad idea have never been a pub terr trying to get base, and having javs in mid lob bombs up main base entrance.

Yeah, exactly! It's even worse when the entire basing contingent was attached to that terr, and we all get teamferred by our own javs. It happens two or three times, then everyone quits. I would love to see instead:

leet_jav has been dropped from freq3
ITKUinJav has been dropped from freq3
just_practicing has been dropped from freq3
legally_blind has been dropped from freq3
trolling_pub has been dropped from freq3

Or as a pub shark, which I do, as needed. "Your team has no more mines" And not a single mine anywhere within visual of flagroom. Might be 15 of them in tube, or spread out in spawn.

[Dexter]

My recommendation, is the following:

1) Make pub with two default freqs, 1 and 2.
2) Make two extra freqs, 3 and 4, that players can join.
3) Allow the team-leader on freq 3 and 4 to kick players back into freq 1 and 2. Team-leader is the player with the most flag claims, or most flag points, or some similar basing metric.
4) If you want, you can give some bonus for being on freq 3 and 4, like spawning fully prized.

The objective here is to have players actually have to switch freq from 1 or 2, to 3 or 4, and to be accepted by their team-mates, in order to be on a decent pub basing team. Staff might love this too, because instead of spamming ?cheater, we can just kick the offending player off our team, ourselves.

Thanks for your ideas, I loved it.
Actually, purepubbot ( As know as Roboboy ) will have an "Addon", it'll be a new system to MVP/Bounty Rewards

So, I've been thinking in a way to make those points happen just to players that are playing in the base, so they'll get more points than the others that are in the spawning side. A streak system of kills, as well, will be added. Also, your ideas of giving a captain to a freq and then, a capacity to kick players from the freq ( by voting or by this captain ), are very constructive and intelligent. It is added into the bot's upgrade, thanks blackzor :grin:

I'll let Witness ( Pub developer ) know about your ideas too so we can have this change accepted.

Thanks again, people like you are very important to the Development Team.