New pub money system

[roxxkatt]

unfortunately, too many people that post regularly on these forums don't know how to construct an argument without attacking someone personally first.

I love how all these people who NEVER play pubs are the ones who are most up in arms about this change.

You guys didn't even wait more than 12 hours before you started lashing out at the idea. Obviously there's going to be things to work out but maybe 5 people talking in this thread really should have an opinion on what goes on in the public arenas. Why? Because they're the ones who actually play them.

in case you missed it.
been saying this all along.

all you idiots are doing is forcing the decision that opinions from people that do not play pub will not be considered.

[kthx]

Cheese, you don't play pub either yet you still got your "advice" in to the coder.

[Ricko]

and everyone writing here has said they've been in pub over the last few days and have seen hardly any positive comments about the new settings- from pubbers. Don't know why some douche not even from TW is trying to argue with all of us, dick off back to ur failed distension zone. Thanks.

[Zazu]

I believe the idea is very good. All the people that are crying about it, give some constructive advice instead of all that negative crap.
But first, consider it's not finished yet! It needs some fine tuning and that requires players to use it, try it, test it and comment on it. So stop emo-crying.

And to those that say "it ruins basing" and "it ruins TWD, how can players learn their ships now" etc.. Come on.. Think for a second.
Leviathans have always been around for 10 years. They were only recently banned from pub 0 and in those 10 years ?go base was one of the most popular arena's. Just get an anti-warp and hunt down the LT. Pub is a place to have fun and to practice things but you can't expect to become pro by just playing pub. You need to dive into the real leagues if you want to become a competitive league player.
If not, pub is just fine. And some updates/modifications are good. Keeping things the same will become boring for everyone.

So Dexter and everybody that helped: Good Job!

[Nockm]

Good point, but I believe that the actual constructive advice they gave was to remove the system altogether. It's like someone sticking a turd in your mouth and then them saying "Oh you don't like it? How would you like me to fine tune this turd? Some salt? The recipe is not complete yet."

I'm not saying that the system is turd, though. Far from it! I'm just playing devil's advocate here.


This is the problem with hurling insults to constructive advice on a 10:1 ratio - everything useful gets lost in the noise.

[Pressure Drop]

I believe the idea is very good. All the people that are crying about it, give some constructive advice instead of all that negative crap.
But first, consider it's not finished yet! It needs some fine tuning and that requires players to use it, try it, test it and comment on it. So stop emo-crying.

And to those that say "it ruins basing" and "it ruins TWD, how can players learn their ships now" etc.. Come on.. Think for a second.
Leviathans have always been around for 10 years. They were only recently banned from pub 0 and in those 10 years ?go base was one of the most popular arena's. Just get an anti-warp and hunt down the LT. Pub is a place to have fun and to practice things but you can't expect to become pro by just playing pub. You need to dive into the real leagues if you want to become a competitive league player.
If not, pub is just fine. And some updates/modifications are good. Keeping things the same will become boring for everyone.

So Dexter and everybody that helped: Good Job!

did you read cheese! post ?? how do you expect constructive criticism given the biased and untrue crap he was spouting ... in this very thread ... it's just inflammatory nonsense aimed at provoking those frustrated that staff/developers tested some very stupid ideas like locking wb's and javs and overstepping other fundamentals that have been core to pubs and TW success.

That is not a path TW pub should ever go down so i've no idea why it was considered and i'd like that explained to be honest.

your not helping really by being yet another staffer/developer that is basically defending his friends going it was hard work ! stop flaming you emo criers , rather than further polarise the camps why doesn't staff admit there were alot of bad ideas in it rather than it needs fine tuning ? if twdev lives in a bubble they need to talk over their ideas with ppl that dont just agree with them or get totally carried away with the potential of a money system.



i mean give me full control of pub, id make changes and i'd expect a backlash but i'd be doing it for what i see is the best interest of TW i'd defend my position with reasoning and i'd probably lose becuase this game has been very similar with the occasional tweak and that's what the players like...

your argument about levs isn't valid like i've said i'll argue about the rights and wrongs of them in another thread.

[Subverter]

This system is broken. I kinda like some of the ideas behind it, but it needs a major overhaul. Being able to buy reps, fullcharge, and burst pretty much constantly ruins everything. I've been abusing the system for a couple days, and despite how much fun i've had doing so, I gotta tell you it is BROKEN.

Sharks pushing into base with 15 reps.
Terrs bursting CONSTANTLY.
Javs launching a nearly endless stream of bombs.

It's messed up. Fix it, or remove it.

Another complaint from me is the weasel. If I have to pay for it, then I want it to be TINY. I'm not gonna waste money on a weasel just so i can lay bricks.

Another complaint. The new f1 menu. I can't tell noobs to press f1 when they ask a noob question anymore. Most of the info in the new f1 menu is worthless crap anyway. I'm sure you could fit the small amount of acctually usefull information into the message you get when you type !help, and add the stuff you can buy into a message from typing !buy.

[roxxkatt]

keep in mind this was only a test, and the first test at that.
the bug with the broken limiter is known, and will be fixed soon, so the limit stated in f1 will soon be in effect.
additionally, the small weasel will be returning, so fear not =)

thanks for bringing up the f1, its quite easy to tack on the default f1 onto the end, thanks for informing us.

[Zeebu]

im pretty sure nockm nailed one of the key points right on the head and worded it well.

But anyway... this system is breaking the fundamental invariant of TW:

Whenever you play, you're at a level playing field with everyone else. Any advantage you have is down to skill level alone.


Are we really sure we want to do this? Once we have this system, god knows it'll be added to because once a framework is in place - that's what'll happen. The only other alternative is to pull the entire thing down.

is this one of the primary ways to increase intrest in pub? to reward players with ship bonuses the longer they play in pub?

[D1st0rt]

I don't believe this is a good move for TW, personally. It seems like you are changing things for the sake of change.

[Lizard Fuel]

I do see the similarity to distension. As an avid distension fan, I decided to actually log into the game to try this new system last night and absolutely hated it. To me it was everything negative that people had to say about distension, and nothing positive. The money idea is neat, but IMO needs to be extremely limited. Way too many things are available for purchase. A shitty jav should not be able to line up a camp shot, have !buy <whatever # full charge is> set as a macro, and miss his shot 6 times, basically annihilating his entire team. But for the sake of being constructive, if you MUST keep the system, I'll offer a few suggestions.

-Raise the $ value of levi from $800 to $8000. They do ruin basing, make people EARN the right to ruin everyone elses fun.

-Raise the $ value of super from $5000 to $50000. I only played for an hour last night and got super twice. Thats too much.

-Set a TK limit for the players who choose to use a ship with bombs. This would prevent staff from having another reason to shit on the players, as the bot can switch people after X amount of tks automatically for Z amount of minutes.

-Have a !help command that players can type in pubchat to find the answer they need. E.G. !help money, !help buy, !help items...This also would reduce the need for the majority of useless staff you guys currently employ. (each !help can state that if they need further help, they can type ?help <question> for staff assistance)

-Simplify F1. If I didn't know this game so well I would have been confused as fuck by reading that new F1 menu.

-Offer $ reward for reaching milestone Bounty. E.G. Xx_Dragonlovergirl69_xX has reached 500 bounty in terr/100 bounty in warbird!! Be the first to kill him/her and receive a $500 reward! This rewards the high bounty, and the successful hunter. Which plays in favor for both sides of the player spectrum.

In the end, I feel like my suggestions will encourage MORE play, as players now have a goal to achieve, such as super and/or LTing. They will also limit the amount of staff complaints about *setship and ignoring ?help/?cheater calls, as well as limit the need for so many useless staffers. Just think, staff could go back to actually having standards again! I also tried to have my ideas favor all the different types of players you find in pub, except the moron javs, and pretty much all the levis. I still think this idea is crap, but maybe with some TLC you clowns can make something of it. Best of luck.

On a side note, how can a dude that hardly speaks english learn how to code a bot? Pretty neat i think.

[kthx]

the same way a dude who hardly speaks English can come to America and mow lawns and/or put up drywall. It isn't that hard.

[laureth]

Do I have to connect my paypal alias to play?

[glavitik]

Who the fuk is cheese anyways. Why let some nobody programmer make changes to the zone. And who are the brain dead staff who allowed this..? (silly question. every one of them.)

Get your shit together. You tried it, nobody likes it. Back to the drawing board.

[Ara]

I don't think you should confuse publics with ?go base. The imperssion we've gotten is that a lot of pubbers are quite interested in buying prizes for earned cash, and it is creating more depth into the gameplay. Although it was rushed and wasn't properly prepared, discussed, advertised and explained it's something we could have worked on more to improve it. It's true fullcharges for example are a bad idea, ship restrictions were a bad idea, but there's more to it and if you would just think about it we could have an interesting pub. Pub isn't about skills, well maybe to the likes of Nockm it is, but to me or other random newbs it is. Yea I'm a happy newb in pub. I expect skillful competition elsewhere, pub is about doing your own thing.

The system would just need to be altered, possibly limit the options or make them harder to achieve and so on. This system would allow rewards from events outside of pub, and special events inside pub. Who here doesn't think that the TW publics have always been the most boring and least improved in Continuum?

Now that we lost another coder, a very special one this time, for ill-constructed feedback this will probably be put on hold or dismissed. You do realize it's easy to only bark without having to contribute yourself. After all these years you could expect more from the members of the community, but obviously respecting eachother is too much to ask for with all the grudges that we've built.