Levi should not make a return.

[inaphyt]

In it's current state.

Lting is too strong by far and is probably why most people decided to warbird back then instad of spider.

It's easier to set up an lt than it is to set up a hunting party and then the flag doesn't even matter anymore it's a game of chase.

The lev needs to be severely nerfed, and i think they had it right when they were proposing the yellow bomb with insane shraps/ or in base2? (can't remember arena) but they made the levi faster with a red emp bomb which was actually viable/fair in basing.

if they changed the bounty needed for a lev to attach to 100/200 that would be a start but too many times does a lev just stroll in and destroy an entire defence of flag room with one bomb. A totally unfair and horrible ship that needs to replaced with something more fighter like.

[Xog]

I'd be in favor of requiring 100-200 bounty. It's a bit unfair to call in a tactical nuke after killing 3 players. >_>

[vaped]

I love to LT, but I agree Ina -- it's bad for basing and anything else that one might want to do in the zone and probably contributed to turning some people away because they got sick and tired of getting blown to pieces all the time. So, honestly, I am glad to see things the way they are -- although the excessive jav TKs and idiocy there is just as annoying as being bombarded by LTs. Granted, you can report TKers and not LTers, but still -- annoying. 100-200 bty, maybe but you know that will just be people sitting in safe and killing each other over and over. Sure they may get bored, but - it's pretty easy to trick people into attaching to a terr to be blown up by an LT.

But this all being said -- maybe there can be like a weekend of LT-type events instead of just the occasional round of turretwars being hosted. There are quite a few people who miss the LTing and would like to have something to 'get their fix' on occasion.

[Xog]

Generally when we see a levi with 20-80 bty its not very attention grabbing. If i saw an LT with 200 bty i would be more inclined to hunt it down.

[kthx]

Bounty won't stop people from greening, everyone knows the terr always just goes and greens the levi while he is in a safe zone and it doesn't matter how high you make it. The only solution was to remove the levi all together, nerf the levi bomb or just create a base where levi bombs make a minimal impact on the FR (which thanks to Diakka and the people he is working with whom I can't really remember, sorry is in the works) Instead of changing the ship settings or raising bounty which people would just work around, make it so it can't be worked around, add more jav holes pointing towards LT spots in the base, add blocks around the most used levi spots pointing towards the FR in order to make sure a LT can't stay off the radar and kill the base. Make the LT actually fly close enough to the FR to be in danger from shots coming out of the base to get the bounty that he is going for. And just keep the mid shots, there really isn't a problem with those.

I think this is the best solution.

[Pressure Drop]

In it's current state.

Lting is too strong by far and is probably why most people decided to warbird back then instad of spider.

It's easier to set up an lt than it is to set up a hunting party and then the flag doesn't even matter anymore it's a game of chase.

The lev needs to be severely nerfed, and i think they had it right when they were proposing the yellow bomb with insane shraps/ or in base2? (can't remember arena) but they made the levi faster with a red emp bomb which was actually viable/fair in basing.

if they changed the bounty needed for a lev to attach to 100/200 that would be a start but too many times does a lev just stroll in and destroy an entire defence of flag room with one bomb. A totally unfair and horrible ship that needs to replaced with something more fighter like.

yip i agree totaly except with the 100bt as i think it would make more sense to just make it unble to attach at all in it's present settings. I was in favour of testing out new lev options such as the shrap/emp versions and made suggestions years ago.

quite frankly i think this should be revisited now that the population is so much smaller and reinvent the levi radically changing it's ship set but ideally producing a new basing ship that could even be a shark alternative etc.

[fLaReD]

my suggestion is that we use diakkas base (atleast try it for a weekend and see peoples reactions), increase required attach bounty by levs to be 40, and allow warbirds to buy antiwarp for a fairly cheap price. there is only one good levi shot in diakkas base, and greening to 40 in the safe zone is kind of a pain, not to mention two warbirds working together or possibly even just one could hunt a LT somewhat easily. could also maybe limit pub to 1 levi per freq.

other random pub thoughts:
limit 3 or 4 javelins per freq
allow private frequencies

[Tigron-X]

A lot of the issue with lt'ing, IMO, is that no talent ass clowns can hop in a safety and get "greened." Now, I don't know the programming limitations of the game, but if you could get rid of safeties for levs, then you have curbed most of this issue.

Maybe things can be changed so that if you're at coord X,Y, then you can use the ?buy option. Maybe it's something the bot can control. I don't know. If anyone knows the programming limitiations, I'd like to hear your response.

But, all in all, find a way to get rid of safeties for levs, and you'll have less lts running around.

[kthx]

Just made the levi 2 pixels larger and make the safeties only big enough to fit ships 1/2/3/5/6/7/8.

Do you really need to sit afk in a safety in a levi?

And once you are greened you can just attach to a terr in the safe already.

Win.

[Jason]

i would love to just see the levi completely reinvented.

i know a lot of people like to cling to the "but it's a staple of basing in the zone" argument, but with a dwindling playerbase, it's time to try some new ideas out.

we already have enough fighter ships with wb, spid and lanc. let's take a look at another defensive ship, and offload some of the work from the shark?

[kthx]

Well the weasel was sorta already reinvented as a somewhat defensive ship, nearly every ship has xradar now so them cloaking is basically pointless but they have a brick and a repel which i see alot of them use to protect the FR or flag.

So what if we made the levi like the "tank" if you will, higher HP than a shark with 2 reps, 1 brick, fires level 2 bullets, fires level 1 bombs, and can lay 2 mines, the bombs and mines have prox but they can't kill, they don't even do much damage like 200-400 energy but it stops them from recharging (can't think of what that is called) and also lets say they move slower than a shark, can't go faster with boost, and still require 20 bounty to attach but still get team greens up till 15.

[Xog]

Then nobody would play shark or lanc.


My suggestion would be to give it just enough energy to fire a bomb and have it proxed, no bounce, and slow speed (bombthrust) and no bullets. People are used to the idea its a bomber right? Make it a bomber with no bullets. New age of LT without the blast radius, replaced with prox. Lvl 1 bomb like jav

[vaped]

i would love to just see the levi completely reinvented.

I like this idea. Making the Levi a combo shark/lanc but not so awesome that noone would use the shark or the lanc.

No bombs - but allowed to mine (i don't even know if that's possible)
lvl 2 bullet, but not as fast a fire rate as lanc
1 - 2 reps
Brick
X-Radar
Antiwarp buy-able (maybe)

EDIT -- Could always give shark 4 reps ( in pub ) to make it more appealing as a defense/frontline ship if the levi were to be re-configured ... and not enough people use lanc in pub anyway as a basing ship, so i dunno about that....

[kthx]

Problem is people like playing jav in pub, I think it would be better to have a new ship that can "neg" people like a bomb radius can without raping your team with it, and can be useful in the base. It would be slower than the lanc but still be able to line and would have a single level 2 like a weaker wb and maybe even weaker than lanc random bullet damage, and have less reps than a shark with mines that couldn't kill but would still be fun enough that people might play it over a jav. And it would also be pretty fun in the base to see some new tactics.

[fLaReD]

i don't you can make bombs/mines that don't kill considering shark/jav have L1 bombs/mines that do kill, and you can't really touch those ships