State of Trench Wars Staff

[riske]

. I told HMS I would switch names straight away if he

This is how adults do things.

[the_paul]

Thank you for that interesting input and constructive feedback

[TagMor]

[roxxkatt]

silly tagmor this thread is not about bananas

[Ephemeral]

I know these forums are the perfect place for you people to stirr things up, and cause confusion. However, you guys are indeed on a witch hunt here. You are so fully focussed on getting trancetunes axed that you are overlooking the bigger picture here. Trancetunes indeed does his job, at the beginning he has been overeager to prove himself and yes we have set him straight about that, and I have read every thread about him, how stupid they may have been sometimes. Some of your cases required talking to him and setting him straight and/or warning him. However, none of these alleged cases justified axing him in any way. Also, I think going on names similar to his and trying to piss him off so he will make mistakes is just plain sad. This has to come from both sides here, he leaves you guys alone unless you do something actually illegal, and you guys should just leave him alone and give him another chance. People grow up you know? I can name enough examples of current staffers who acted very immature in the past, but grew up and now serve staff and the TW Community to their best intentions.
Also, I only see you guys spilling your guts out on forums, if this is so 'important' then come straight to me instead of just posting new forum threads about him everytime something supposedly has happened. Thanks.

I took the time to analyze just one of the threads on this topic, the one named 'TranceTunes Again'
36 - total posts in thread
23 - total unique user posts
12 - total posts that were clearly in against TT
9 - total posts with unique user that were clearly in against TT
1 - total posts where user supplied an actual example of abuse

Perhaps this is why some think reasonable people feel that this has been a witch hunt, a very small minority of posts have actually supplied real examples of abuse/wrong doing. If people really desired to make a case against him I would recommend that instead of threads that encourage subjective opinions, compile a objective list of actual examples of abuse.
It is my opinion that a person could write a book on how NOT to get someone removed from staff by recording how this has been handled by you guys.
eph

[H.M.S. Stargazer]

After having a talk with the deans, spacehiker and our new BanG Op Demonic, we have decided:

Trancetunes is a valued staffer, he has a drive that we need on staff. However his actions are not appropriate and need to be corrected. He has been put on a probationary period (Length undetermined but likely a month), in which he will be working on all the calls he takes with a long time moderator.

This will serve everyones purpose here.

Trance gets to remain on staff, and gets the training he wants to become a better staffer.
The playerbase gets accountabilty from its staff.

We have also brought back the 'head trainer' position and have placed Hurricane as the SMod in charge of this department. He will be working with deans and I on how to incorporate professionalism and proper knowledge into his department.

On a personal note: I want you to know that the upperstaff do see your complaints. Generally speaking one of my jobs is to be the PR guy for the staff. I am on this forum 3-4 times a day if not more, and bring any complaints to the rest of the upperstaffs attention.

[H.M.S. Stargazer]

I don't get it.. how was I suppose to make a poll during my ban? why did you think I asked you to make it for me. had I known you were completely useless I would of went to Jason first. just say you dont want to help next time, don't promise to help and do completely nothing afterwards #thanksjason

I agreed to make it possible for you to make the poll once you returned to see of the rule in place about "twitterfaggotry" was unacceptable. I did not agree to do the poll for you during the ban, as that would consititute breaking forum rules, by posting for you.

I am sorry that I obviously did not clarify myself. I take full responsibility for mumbling.

[kthx]

I am not 100% satisfied with this decision but if he really has to talk to another mod before making any rash decisions than I guess I can't really complain too much as this would probably solve a majority of the problems with him banning people shortly after warning without giving them time to cooperate.

The real issue is however this is now the second time that staff has "come down" on trancetunes for the same behavior and I have read from numerous mods that Trancetunes has done nothing wrong, or that this is a witch hunt. How about on top of this we have some accountability from the people who are supposed to be leaders in this zone to not blindly protect one of their own and tell people if they don't like it to log off, but instead to agree that there is or might be a problem that needs to be addressed and they will look into it. I don't think that the sole responsibility of being the voice of reason for staff should fall on you're shoulders HMS. Would it really have been that hard for MM to maybe offer some forum correspondence to some of the people complaining including the_paul instead of suggesting that he should log in and talk to him when it seems obvious that he isn't on at the same times. A simple ?find the_paul when you wake up and log in at 6am and seeing he went to bed around 5 hours before and is obviously still sleeping would have been easy enough.

The players don't just want staffers who are seen as problematic to the zone either removed from staff or lose the ability to issue out unwarranted bans, especially bans that have comments calling the player a "prick" because it seems like the rules were purposefully broken in a way to get rid of a player that the staffer obviously has emotional ties to. It is the reason there are rules regarding a staffer on a squad not taking a cheater call in a match his squad is involved in. Really the root cause here needs to be fixed otherwise in a month and a half we are back here again on square one arguing on the forums about this guy abusing.

[kthx]

paragraph 3 bad sentence structure. kid up you get the idea.

[roxxkatt]

We have also brought back the 'head trainer' position

while youre at it, can you please bring back the ER trainer position?

PLEASE?

[H.M.S. Stargazer]

while youre at it, can you please bring back the ER trainer position?

PLEASE?

its been around for a while. But all training falls under the head trainer.

[renzi]

I took the time to analyze just one of the threads on this topic, the one named 'TranceTunes Again'
36 - total posts in thread
23 - total unique user posts
12 - total posts that were clearly in against TT
9 - total posts with unique user that were clearly in against TT
1 - total posts where user supplied an actual example of abuse

Perhaps this is why some think reasonable people feel that this has been a witch hunt, a very small minority of posts have actually supplied real examples of abuse/wrong doing. If people really desired to make a case against him I would recommend that instead of threads that encourage subjective opinions, compile a objective list of actual examples of abuse.
It is my opinion that a person could write a book on how NOT to get someone removed from staff by recording how this has been handled by you guys.
eph

why dont you try going through all of the threads about him to get a fuller view, not just a small window.........


and stargazer, it still doesnt change the fact that racism makes him suicidal and hell probably still act on it

[Ephemeral]

why dont you try going through all of the threads about him to get a fuller view, not just a small window.........


and stargazer, it still doesnt change the fact that racism makes him suicidal and hell probably still act on it

I selected that one because I wasn't going to spend hours on it. I am also not the one trying to get him removed from staff.
Ren, I think that you started a thread with good intentions and you gave a specific actual experience you had. Nothing wrong with that. But surely you can see that this whole thing turned into a flame-fest with not a lot of objective empirical data behind it.
My opinion is that there is nothing wrong with posting subjective flame-fests, for whatever reasons many in TW love the drama. So be it. But when people try to start making it sound like it is objective, when clearly they simply dislike a person (or in this case they appear to be rallying around the age-old dislike of the racism policy), it loses value in my mind. I also think that is discourages others from considering being a staffer.
But, this is just my subjective opinion and I could be wrong. :P
eph

[renzi]

I selected that one because I wasn't going to spend hours on it. I am also not the one trying to get him removed from staff.
Ren, I think that you started a thread with good intentions and you gave a specific actual experience you had. Nothing wrong with that. But surely you can see that this whole thing turned into a flame-fest with not a lot of objective empirical data behind it.
My opinion is that there is nothing wrong with posting subjective flame-fests, for whatever reasons many in TW love the drama. So be it. But when people try to start making it sound like it is objective, when clearly they simply dislike a person (or in this case they appear to be rallying around the age-old dislike of the racism policy), it loses value in my mind. I also think that is discourages others from considering being a staffer.
But, this is just my subjective opinion and I could be wrong. :P
eph

while i do truly dislike trancetunes..A LOT, ive had more than enough personal experiences and witnessed instances to where i feel justified for my "witch hunt" and i dont think the others that havent are just flaming him for the heck of it. i think theyre reading the actual incidents and are communicating their own opinions on them and its pretty obvious the popular consensus is trancetunes needs to be axed. ty come again

[Oops]

After having a talk with the deans, spacehiker and our new BanG Op Demonic, we have decided:

Trancetunes is a valued staffer, he has a drive that we need on staff. However his actions are not appropriate and need to be corrected. He has been put on a probationary period (Length undetermined but likely a month), in which he will be working on all the calls he takes with a long time moderator.

This will serve everyones purpose here.

Trance gets to remain on staff, and gets the training he wants to become a better staffer.
The playerbase gets accountabilty from its staff.

We have also brought back the 'head trainer' position and have placed Hurricane as the SMod in charge of this department. He will be working with deans and I on how to incorporate professionalism and proper knowledge into his department.

On a personal note: I want you to know that the upperstaff do see your complaints. Generally speaking one of my jobs is to be the PR guy for the staff. I am on this forum 3-4 times a day if not more, and bring any complaints to the rest of the upperstaffs attention.

As i was reading this thread of was waiting until the end where I could tell staff how they might actually become respected among alot of players if they actually did something to trance that we could see was a result of our efforts. I'd say this counts, thanks hms.