Committee to permanently Change the Levithan to something not shitty

[Vehicle]

Let's form one?

Honestly the ship is a piece of shit that detracts from overall enjoyment for the sake of a few players with way too much free time.

Let's make the ship something else, ANYTHING else. Maybe another basing ship :X

[roxxkatt]

how about you suggest some ideas instead of simply complaining

[Vehicle]

A ship that instead of mines has motionless lvl 3 bullets. It has 1300 energy, moves fast, thrusts fast for high energy cost, cost 300-400 to bullet. Any more questions?

[paradise!]

sounds like a decent alternative

oh and veh, different doesn't mean shitty. Levi's are now slightly less powerful, arguably tilting the balance toward more basing.

[MaGi kOz]

You oughta go by the original concept of the ships in the zone which is now long forgotten:

Warbird - Soldier
Javelin - Granadier
Spider - Machine Gunner
Leviathan - Tank
Terrier - Personnel Carrier (Transporter)
Weasel - Spy
Lancaster - Shotgunner
Shark - Mines (Detect/Deploy)

Of course these ideas were lost when someone thought it was okay (and declared a great past time) to levterr but I don't think it's possible for tanks to attach to anything.... So this brings me to the idea of...

...Restoring original leviathan BUT disallow it from attaching AT ALL. Period. Maybe even perhaps making it a little bit stronger (increasing it's energy by at least 100%) if you want to make it an armored tank.

Another idea I had was to increase it's radius to 4x4 so it cannot enter the flagroom but it can enter the base (which would be one incredible feet.)

[Crescent Seal]

why do you have to replace it? people love LTing...just make a new ship and leave lev alone simple

but yeah i instantly thought of the game Team Fortress because the classes in that game are very well balanced, so dunno but maybe it can spark an idea

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Classes

edit:
in that game there are 9 classes which are split into 3 categories of offensive, defensive, and support...so we need one more support ship if
offensive = warbird, javelin, lance
defensive = leviathon, weasel, shark
support = terrier, spider

[Jerome Scuggs]

didnt the bot used-ta periodically ban levs/LTing? then again there were more pubs, but i think on certain days/times there could be a restriction put into place. or a general vote in pubchat or something.

also: maybe edit the map. in key places where LTs are the most annoying (like the roof area), just add a bar a few spaces above roof that would shield the FR from long-range bombing prox damage, forcing the terr to go under the bar and bomb the roof at close proximity, allowing someone in the FR to engage anti-warp and make LT's easier to kill for the people who have to inevitably fly to the roof, only to have the terr speed or port away.

[MaGi kOz]

Maybe it just takes equally skilled LT hunter(s) to neutralize annoying LTs but apparently it's just as annoying to hunt them as it is to be offed by one. There oughta be a new class of players that specialize in this within legal means (or short of spec hunting.) For example: I was successfully able to take down a levterr that had 2 sharks and a warbird defending them and after a dozen attempts, I was able to take it down with a slick shot through a hole in the wall of the base and get a 4-fer. $$. It turned out to be a fun challenge to take on and maybe others can take part in it, too?

[T Mac-1]

I'm for returning the Levs to the way they were but possibly raising the bounty required to attach alot higher than 20...50 or 100 for example? It would take a lot longer to feed/get greened so possibly reduce the number or LT's

[Xog]

I don't see why the roof can't just be edited to be made an entrance (with a more difficult time to get to the flagroom ofcourse) ... that way, the roof can't necessarily be "bombed" by the LTs without direct retaliation, and the LTs can still LT.

[Xog]

something simple like this:



provides protection against LTs on the roof. would probably be more fun for them too, more risk, and still possible to get big kills.

please note: i suck at maps, i just thought visually showing what i was talking about would be better

[MaGi kOz]

something simple like this:



provides protection against LTs on the roof. would probably be more fun for them too, more risk, and still possible to get big kills.

please note: i suck at maps, i just thought visually showing what i was talking about would be better

Then that wouldn't be a roof anymore. It would be an attic.

More seriously, though, that would make it a major base redesign, not just a ship reformat. And you can't just say that any Lt attack would be easily retaliated by basers just because you throw a maze on top of the flagroom. And this obstruction has no real function, really. Especially when the LTs are bombing from below which is also a common alternative when the outsides of base are being heavily guarded. In conclusion, I seriously do not see how any changes to the map can help. It is in the ship itself or the community of existing basing ships that hold the key.

[Lizard Fuel]

My 2 cents

By even suggesting this, I'm really taking a huge chunk out of the fun I have in pub, but its probably for the best of all concerned. Anyways....It is extremely rare for me to LT (I usually terr) and net anything less than 100 kills per run. I don't care how talented of a LT hunter you are, I have a way to avoid you with the new !buy system in place. I consistently !buy portals and warp all over the map, and bursts just so i can kill any stragglers left behind. If you decide to antiwarp me, my levi will always have !buy pwarp:Lizard Fuel which is immune to the effects of anti, returning me to spawn where I quickly warp back to whatever portal I had. With these 2-3 macros I can pretty much guarantee a streak of 100 every time, barring some sort of off the wall lucky stray or something (which always happens eventually).... The way to prevent this would be to prevent terrs from using the !buy feature when a levi or any ship over 50 bounty is attached, and preventing levis from using the !buy feature when attached to a terr. Its a very simple fix and would drastically reduce the amount of garbage we have flying around outside base lobbing blind bombs.

Sorry for the essay

[TagMor]

the hardcore lt players have all left, and there is not enough population to try something similar.
Might as well model the lev into something that is effectively manageable by itself.

[project dragon]

Put doors in holes that levi's like to bomb through. Their shot will then not be 100% guaranteed to hit.