Subspace - Continuum has been Greenlit on Steam!

[Ephemeral]

Wouldn’t it suck if everything falls into place…the zone sees a big flush new players…but about 4-5 assholes run them all off within the first few hours they play? </SPAN>

What assholes? ‘Vets’ who endlessly own them. Others who copy and paste endless crap in pub. Those who hate on everyone else. </SPAN>

Not saying we all need to hold hands and sing Kumbaya but we might want to show some consideration towards new players. Cut tem some slack, perhaps even teach them a few things about TW when they enter. </SPAN>
Eph

[roxxkatt]

ITT: ppl that dont read anything, love grammar******ry, use "hate on", and can not see their name to the left of their posts

[Jerome Scuggs]

i guess it's great to plan and stuff but this is beyond TW and more about the general nature of planning... mainly that shit never goes according to plan. basically every post in this thread is "we should help newbs" as if that in of itself is a plan.

i'd rather put the cart BEHIND the horse. get priitK, get subspace ready for steam, and then go from there. maybe it's an explosion of players, maybe it's a gradual trickle, maybe people pick the game up quick, maybe they don't, maybe the servers overload and crash, who knows

but basically people are lining up to be zh's and er's and making promises and once again we haven't even confirmed priitK is even avaliable to do this. (btw i'm operating on the assumpion that he and only he would be able to update the game client)

i rly appreciate the staff that's here and doing work but for 85% of you guys i can honestly say the only reason you're staff is because the more qualified people no longer run the zone. TBH i'm just excited that maybe some of these people will come back or we will get some new blood. (FWIW the only reason i play TW these days is because all the actually good veterans are retired, so i'm not trying to shit on you guys to make myself look good, we're all dregs)

[2pac]

Prittk would be sure to do something if he wishes, seeing as continnum has been accepted by steam that pritt actually cares enough to do something, lets see if he got the balls for this.

[roxxkatt]

in reality you all should be hoping priit doesnt do anything, because if he actually does we all will never break free of his stranglehold on the game

[2pac]

I don't think he can do anything, I've talked to mikethenose he told me the licences are with BDE.

[2pac]

I don't think he can do anything, I've talked to mikethenose he told me the licences are with BDE.

or Not, as I have not investigated this.

[grand]

when this game gets rebooted with fresh blood

i will make my return and regain my dominance over this game

[Fork]

This true? Found this on the discussions on the steam site about this game.

Don't get your hopes up about this being Greenlit


Folks, all being greenlit means is that the game has merely reached the number of votes Steam requires for a game to be "greenlit by the community." However, before something on greenlight can become a title on Steam, the politics between Steam and the game owners need to be resolved.


The problem?

The ownership of Subspace has been disputed ever since the developers went bankrupt and became community-run something like, 15-16 years ago. Nobody knows who really owns it. Until the ownership issue, which hasn't been resolved in that entire timeframe, is resolved, nothing is going to come of being greenlit.


Also the rumor mill states that Priitk (who is in theory the "owner" but this is also disputed) does not want this title on Steam.


So yeah, don't get me wrong I want this title on Steam more than any of you but its more than likely not happening.
-zeream

[Turban]

the whole licensing issue is quite complicated.

i'm fairly sure that the rights to the game were purchased by BDE after the bankrupcy of VIE and they have owned the rights to the original game for a long time. however, that changed recently some player from our community purchased the copyrights to own SubSpace from BDE about two years ago. this sadly doesn't help our situation as we are using the client PriitK made years ago and he still owns the copyrights to that client, thus if we want to use Continuum then we need his permission as far as i know.

there's also a lot of legal bullshit that needs to be sorted out based on what i have heard, and no one really knows who owns the game as the game basically has two ownerships at this point -- and, as far as i know, we need the owners of both SubSpace and Continuum to agree with the greenlight project before we can get on Steam.

[roxxkatt]

pretty sure a few players are also lawyers and a few phrases come to mind like "abandonware", "community owned", "open source", "lack of participation", as well as that precedent has been set for exceptions, as well as that there are avenues to have copyright officially revoked

[roxxkatt]

this step shouldnt be needed, but is probably necessary to prevent the unlikely scenario where ss actually gets big, someone somewhere invents a donation/pay system that gets big, and then some uppity ****** notices he has a 20 year old patent and tries to suck some money out of some dicks

[Turban]

i think the first step is to confirm whether a player of our community actually purchased the copyrights from BDE around two years ago, and confirming that he still owns the copyrights to the game. the transaction was posted on the dev forums (on ssforums) thus surely one of the active members there would remember the name.

then we just have to figure out what to do with the client-side of things.

[LF]

Its all good and well to dangle the carrot in front of the horses mouth to get him to run but if you don't eventually give him the carrot he's going to get pissed off and buck you off of his back. The concept is a great idea in and of itself but its going to turn out just like the donation "scam" that TW ran 3-5 years ago. As several have said getting "greenlit" doesn't really mean a damn thing because we as a whole have never been ready to do what was needed once that green light was achieved. All of this stuff about copyrights and ownership and client stuff should have been sorted out long before now but instead we are scrambling because we still don't have an active and competent leadership structure in this game. Thats not a personal dig at TW staff, as that toxic leadership runs all the way up the ladder to SSC and beyond as well but still very much includes our own zone leadership. No REAL progress is ever going to be made with the people we have running things now and eventually everyone else will realize that the problems arent in the ideas but those who repeatedly fail to make them happen. You can only use scapegoats like 24 (though he deserved it) so often before people start to make the connection that the problems isnt in the pawns but the kings and queens who failed to give their men the ingredients needed to accomplish the mission. So kudos to accomplishing absolutely nothing and forgive me if I don't hold my breath for this smoke screen designed to make people stop leaving the game at such an alarming rate, instead of actually bringing people back in. When you are done spotlighting yourselves for doing something that should have been done years ago and swallow your big, giant humility pill and start unfucking all of those who have themselves on a pedestal I may be back with most of the ingredients you need to give this game a future.

[Slum]

Its all good and well to dangle the carrot in front of the horses mouth to get him to run but if you don't eventually give him the carrot he's going to get pissed off and buck you off of his back. The concept is a great idea in and of itself but its going to turn out just like the donation "scam" that TW ran 3-5 years ago. As several have said getting "greenlit" doesn't really mean a damn thing because we as a whole have never been ready to do what was needed once that green light was achieved. All of this stuff about copyrights and ownership and client stuff should have been sorted out long before now but instead we are scrambling because we still don't have an active and competent leadership structure in this game. Thats not a personal dig at TW staff, as that toxic leadership runs all the way up the ladder to SSC and beyond as well but still very much includes our own zone leadership. No REAL progress is ever going to be made with the people we have running things now and eventually everyone else will realize that the problems arent in the ideas but those who repeatedly fail to make them happen. You can only use scapegoats like 24 (though he deserved it) so often before people start to make the connection that the problems isnt in the pawns but the kings and queens who failed to give their men the ingredients needed to accomplish the mission. So kudos to accomplishing absolutely nothing and forgive me if I don't hold my breath for this smoke screen designed to make people stop leaving the game at such an alarming rate, instead of actually bringing people back in. When you are done spotlighting yourselves for doing something that should have been done years ago and swallow your big, giant humility pill and start unfucking all of those who have themselves on a pedestal I may be back with most of the ingredients you need to give this game a future.

gr8 metaphors LF, I enjoyed those.