C++

[IceStorm]

Hard to master?
Not compared to other languages.

[Nockm]

What impressive programs have you made in C++? Seeing as it's so easy to master?

[IceStorm]

You are very dumb.. I said it is an easy language compared to othere I didnt say I mastered it. I like how geeks like u try to get something going? Get outside thanks :turned:

[Nockm]

Edited for the 100th time...

"Hard to master? Not compared to other languages."
Yeah you're right, you didn't say you had mastered C++. I had just badly assumed you were pretty good at it from that statement, as it sounds like "Pah, C++, easy!" Also, no need to get into childish chat, please.

Actually I am genuinely interested in how C++ is relatively easy to master, when compared to other languages. Because I don't have much experience in other languages. Can you please state which ones are harder to master, and for what reasons?

[Sleepy Weasel]

Strange because my thoughts were the contrary, that C++ leaves C obsolete.

For smaller projects, highschool/college projects, the kind of stuff this guy would be doing, you don't really need the extra level of abstraction provided by C++. C is still in much wider use than C++. I really don't know how things are done in the really big companies having never worked in one myself, but definitely in the college/small company environment.

[IceStorm]

Edited for the 100th time...

"Hard to master? Not compared to other languages."
Yeah you're right, you didn't say you had mastered C++. I had just badly assumed you were pretty good at it from that statement, as it sounds like "Pah, C++, easy!" Also, no need to get into childish chat, please.

Actually I am genuinely interested in how C++ is relatively easy to master, when compared to other languages. Because I don't have much experience in other languages. Can you please state which ones are harder to master, and for what reasons?

Well most people start with VB or Java.. What ive seen anyways
I started with pascal which was basicly programming in english.. hmm
then i did c++.. i found it pretty easy to comprehend.. compared to java and other languages. Once you know one language its so much easier to learn others because you have a backbone.. going on. for example its like writting an essay that u already researched.
It will take a bit to master C++ most books go over the basics only.. and people think that they are cool until they realize they dont know shit .. but how to make stuff pop up on the compiler.
btw.. get DevC++ and start writing ur own code for fun
Cout <<"Ice is the man"<<endl;
dunno if thats write havent done c++ in a while

Im learning PHP right now wohoo.

once ur in college u usually start with c++..

the thing is with me.. i find web languages as in .. PHP, HTML, Javascript easier than ..java,cobalt etc..

by the way.. look into Csharp.. aka C#
its C++ but a little newer
Some people may say learn that instead but doesnt really matter trust me..
my friend learned that at Drexel and came back and didnt have to learn anything in c++ .. C# gave him a good idea of whats up.

Well .. counter strike time.. uhh if u want suggestions on good books ill let u know of some.


well ill be back sometime g2g
play counter strike with Tear_Gas haha that got banned along with me like 7 months ago?
we just won a website competition 100$s each woot..

[D1st0rt]

Java is a lot easier than c++ if you actually want to write real stuff, theres less you have to worry about and it comes with most complex tasks already written in the class libraries

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

I just imagine Nockm sitting at his computer and smiling.

[Nockm]

Conc: mmmmmm

Cool thx for the post. Whatcha mean by 'make stuff pop up on the compiler'? I have a ton of C++ books already but it takes me a while to get through them. I would have been nice if I started programming before I went to uni, but I suppose it doesn't really matter.

[Fallen Angel]

Java is a lot easier than c++ if you actually want to write real stuff, theres less you have to worry about and it comes with most complex tasks already written in the class libraries

Java's memory management alone makes it alot easier to master than C++, because you needn't worry about setting pointers and deallocating memory.

[suxxor]

I learned from "Problem Solving With C++" by Walter Savitch. both intro to comp sci (sophomore year, HS) and programming 2 (freshman year, college) used the book, in different editions.

[T3l Ca7]

Funny, too many times I hear companies say "we are using C++", but when you look at their code, they are more or less written in C, using C++ OO concept. So basically you see all those class objects and methods, implemented using malloc(), strncpy() and sprintf().

For all of you who think C++ is easy, here is a "little" exercise:

parsing a character string like

(5-3) x 7 -25

calculate it and return the result to the standard output.


Of course it can be any legitimate strings, such as:

3+4

5/2

6 + (9-5)x3 / 2


Sounds easy isn't it? Wait until you try

[IceStorm]

Fallen Angel.. hmm well I think C++ is easier to start with than java .. but i think java would be better to start with because c++ will seem alot easier after getting something like java down. But really it's different for all people..

Tel is actually right.. Most companies say you need to know C++ but they really mean you need to know C to C++ ..
But thats not usually the case..
anyways if u work for the gov. they are still using programming languages like cobalt.. Not as many people have upgraded as you think.. of course the field has but not the people.

And I meant about things popping up on the compiler as in.. people don't know real programming.. as in making an application.

Since suxxor listed what class he took I will,
LAST YEAR
Computer Science
- HTML (already knew it)
- Learned Pascal

THIS YEAR
Computer Science II
(Two Periods a day)
- Learned C++
- Learning JavaScript
- Learning PHP
- Learning Java

Other Computer Classes
- Graphic Arts
- Computer Repair

Making bot for tw is fun.. it will really get you an idea of java and staff?
but u have to have no life what so ever to do that shit which is why i didnt do it...

I was suppose to make a program for some guy .. he use to work for a big company and now hes a network dude.. It was gonna be in java but i didnt have the time to learn it :turned:

[50% Packetloss]

It doesn't matter how many programming (or scripting) languages you know, it still won't make you a better programmer. You have to understand computer architecture and have a deep understanding of what all that source code is compiling down to in ASM. No one masters a language; there is always something that you don't know or don't understand. I have a microcontroller in my room I haven't gotten started on and lots of SNES and other documention that I haven't read. There are a lot of Java lovers here and that's nice if you like the computer to hold your hand through everything but if you plan on programming for subspace it might be wiser to learn C. Bots are great but they have thier limitations, once ASSS starts taking off they will be useless. Maybe I've been kept in the dark, but is there any powerful or widely used programs written in Java? I know that there are a few database programs written in java but I've never seen any impressive video games or anything of that sort.

[Nockm]

hey java isn't efficient so that's video games out of the window

as for applications, they don't use native GUI so that's that out of the window too

for windows apps, with C# around i reckon there's not much need for java