The lag checking system is in dire need of being done in a non-dipshit way.

[Merkaba]

Agreed, come on change it back to the old settings.

Right now its odd,

twdd - 50ms MED
wbduel - 35ms MED (Why is this less than twdd? wtf)

Before, it was like 85 or 120 ms MED. These lag limits were a bit better, it was rare that I got kicked to spec.

[Jason]

Once again, I'd like to point out that this problem seems to be rather widespread. I'm not the sole voice lodging a complaint.

What's going to be done? Someone in a position to do something about the situation needs to respond here. I know PL mentioned the limit was removed from TWL because of the controversy surrounding it, but I'd like to know if anything is going to be done for TWD.

[JacKieChan>]

cookie

Ya, the spike checking is really badly done and needs to go away. It's funny, but as a shark, I might get a spike and drop a mine on the enemy terr in a TWBD game and kill him before he knows what hit him. If that happens, like it did when I killed Pure_Luck the other day (ask him about it), I don't get specced for Spike. But, when nothing whatsoever is wrong with my connection, I get specced every time I kill someone.

Make it go away before we all get sick of it and stop playing twd, I know I'm finished until it's fixed.

The Cookie monster rides again.

[Nickname]

I don't play often, but in the past I have noticed that the lag limtis are pretty awful. I'm the same as addy, an hour from the server and I can't play sometimes.

[Ewan]

I've only recently come back from University, so I've only just noticed this problem. I am often getting specced for a SPIKE MED just over the limit. In a BD today, I got specced for a 50.49ms SPIKE MED (Limit = 50). Normally when I am specced, the SPIKE MED is somewhere between 50 and 60. Restarting Continuum, closing MSN, Firewall, Antivirus, all unneeded programs do nothing to stop this. I am on 2.5mb/s cable.

It's bad because it means I can hardly play in TWD games, and I definitly can't play tourny (where the limit is 35ms).

Something needs to be done.

[Mutton]

I think one step in the right direction would be to change the spike limits from relative to absolute, or a combination thereof. Relative spike limits, amusingly enough, punish people with lower ping times. Just look at the edge case of a person with 5ms lag spiking to 10ms.. something that would easily happen on a gig-e LAN with high-speed switches.

Maybe something like checking if the spike is > 50% avg (or whatever the current number is) AND more than 80ms would be better.

[Merkaba]

Good point Mutton, I agree they should do that.

Basically you are saying;

If player has lower ping, then it has tighter tolerances.
If player has higher ping, then it has higher tolerances.

And the bot lagout handler routine assumes an incorrect model for lagspikes behavior.

In the end, punishing innocent broadband players, and letting laggots play without problems. Meanwhile the cheaters evade it with other cheat methods.

This matchbot lagout handler in the end is more of an annoyance than helping solve the problem of lag or cheaters.

[SpaceHiker]

I would of course prefer to see the system better perfected before being used in TWD, but for now, if Med Spike were increased to 80 I wouldn't lag out anymore. I could be happy with that, and as a user in Colorado with the best high-speed internet available in my area, I really shouldn't be getting specced anyway.

[tahkis]

For some reason I don't anymore enjoy playing TWD because all that happens is few guys lagging out constantly. And it's not good when there's all the time another or both sharks in spec while cramming or while trying to break cram.

[Kuukunen]

Or my favourite, terr getting specced when defending. This happened to us in TWLB playoffs.

[Merkaba]

The other problem even if you have a broadband connection, other members of your family may be using the internet as well. Like another family member might be web browsing or chatting on MSN..etc..

A member of my family if she just uses MSN, typing text messages while I'm in a match, the dreaded bot will lag me out.

Most of us just can't afford an highspeed internet connection and most likely share it with the family.
This probably causes family arguements on using the internet, lol.

Though sometimes, even when noone is using the net, I still on the odd ocasion lagout.

[Dutch_]

/!challenge squad:xxxxxx:5: High lag

/!challenge squad:xxxxxx:5: Low lag

This way everyone can play even the lagcheaters and the ones with a cheap connection.



Tips/tricks:

Modem users, set your 56K modem to 36K or 28K for a better ping. This really works.

You dont need a fast connection to get a good ping. Download or upload speed only matters with dial-in. All that matters is the connection from the provider to the server.

Get ADSL, it gives you a better ping then cable. And dont get the cheapest provider you can find.

[Kuukunen]

Nah, it's pretty easily accessible in the dialup settings.

I can't remember where though, been using DSL for ages.

[tahkis]

Or my favourite, terr getting specced when defending. This happened to us in TWLB playoffs.

Tho TWL limits weren't this strict.

[Jason]

It's a controversial argument. I took this limit out during twl games because I didn't think it was perfected .

we covered that already tahkis ;]