Lag limits

[Sufficient]

Describe unfair. Do you mean that a shark doesn't rep a jav bomb that everyone sees but him and his terr dies as being unfair? Or a shark mines a terr and the terr dies because the shark was shot 5 times by a spider and didn't die?
Lag works both ways.

-Legionair

Lag works both ways. True. But on the TWL level, all those laggers KNOW how to use their lag in a positive (unfair) way. I have never seen a TWL player who lags ... and sucks. They all do well becuase they have an unfair resource (which at the TWL level translates into an advantage). It's like having a resource that can be used for good or bad. Cable users and DSL users and LAN users DON'T EVEN have access to this resource (= lag) ... unless they purposely use methods to inc lag.

[Displaced]

Cable users and DSL users and LAN users DON'T EVEN have access to this resource (= lag) ... unless they purposely use methods to inc lag.

moot point, but.

again people seem to be assuming that everyone who plays SS resides in North America.

this is not the case, people with good, even great connections lag due to location, and the fact that they have to go throught 20+ routers.

example, i have a 2.8mbps ADSL connection which i pay an arm and a leg for per month, yet i lag, same goes for most everyone living outside of North America.

Im all for getting rid of lag in TWL, but lets be realistic, do we want to limit the SS community to people only living in North America?

[demonfaze]

Anything over 300 is just too high.

[Mattey]

Im all for getting rid of lag in TWL, but lets be realistic, do we want to limit the SS community to people only living in North America?

Vihta and Blood don't lag.

[Due]

i would say 200-250ms max s2c & c2s 2.0%

[JeBu]

Vihta and Blood don't lag.

blood does, haven't seen vihta.

[Due]

blood does, haven't seen vihta.

vihta = lag

[HellzNo!]

I usually have relatively low ploss and current/avg ping, under 150 usually. It's jsutmy high that screws me, how will the affect me lagging out etc..

[Mattey]

Neither Blood nor Vihta have an average ping over 300 ms. Displaced's argument was that only North Americans could play with those lag restrictions, I was giving evidence that that isn't true. You can say that they are "laggers", but surely you don't think their ping is anywhere approaching 300 ms. If you do, then you're wrong.

[Legionair]

Lag works both ways. True. But on the TWL level, all those laggers KNOW how to use their lag in a positive (unfair) way. I have never seen a TWL player who lags ... and sucks. They all do well becuase they have an unfair resource (which at the TWL level translates into an advantage). It's like having a resource that can be used for good or bad. Cable users and DSL users and LAN users DON'T EVEN have access to this resource (= lag) ... unless they purposely use methods to inc lag.

If a person can learn to play with lag then why can't you learn to play against it? TWL is suppose to be the best of the best right? Well shouldn't the best be able to play against lag effectively?

-Legionair

[Sufficient]

If a person can learn to play with lag then why can't you learn to play against it? TWL is suppose to be the best of the best right? Well shouldn't the best be able to play against lag effectively?

-Legionair

Bc you can look at the lag they have as a "resource" that other ppl don't have. You have something that would be considered cheating for someone who induces lag on their cable modem.

[Zerzera]

My skills are also a "resource" nobody has. They should limit my 3liteskillzz.

Just limiting the average or maximum ping isn't going to help (should be 250~275). They should do something about people that move weird. I think that has to do with the ping fluctuating. That's damn annoying, because it kind of breaks the rules set by the server. If we were allowed to suddenly jump from one place to another, we would have a button for that.
It's really annoying that you hold a cram, and then someone just spikes right trough it and starts to shoot at your from inside, and not lagout.

[Displaced]

good point zerz.

people also seem too fixated on ping, id like to see a cap on weapons ploss (since there isnt one atm, afaik), and make ploss restrictions tighter.

lets say a person has a ploss of S2C: 0.3% C2S 0.1% would that mean that out of a total of say 1000 packets sent (yes a lot more are actually sent but this is an example) 40 of those are just lost or delayed? (correct me if im wrong, since i really have no idea how ploss works )

also, some sort of spike % tolerance might be an idea.

say you are allowed to spike by a max of xx% of your ping?(possibly a steady value of say 50ms) granted if your already at ~300ms, any spiking should spec you. but the way it currently stands cant someone with say 50ms, spike up to 300ms as often as they want without any problems? instead of being able to spike from 50ms to

with some sort of % cap, it should ensure a "steady" ping, instead of one that fluctuates like crazy.

just ideas, no need to start a flame war if any of those points are incorrect or un-pheasible

[Legionair]

Bc you can look at the lag they have as a "resource" that other ppl don't have. You have something that would be considered cheating for someone who induces lag on their cable modem.

First off, I do not think that someone with around 300ms even resembles a person cheating in the game. I would say a person cheating more likely is to jump and is even harder to kill. Of course I do not know this for sure, I never cheated so I have nothing to compare it to.
Secondly, I would consider have a good connection also a resource. You also have something that other people do not.
You are more likely to see every bullet that your teams sees, this is a nice advantage if you are sharking or even in javs.

-Legionair

[Reaver]

Lag works both ways. True. But on the TWL level, all those laggers KNOW how to use their lag in a positive (unfair) way. I have never seen a TWL player who lags ... and sucks. They all do well becuase they have an unfair resource (which at the TWL level translates into an advantage). It's like having a resource that can be used for good or bad. Cable users and DSL users and LAN users DON'T EVEN have access to this resource (= lag) ... unless they purposely use methods to inc lag.

Ok first of all, most if not all of Syndicate members dont lag, and we will see how well they do in leagues. Like Lego said, lag works both ways. I live in the USA I have a 56k modem and my current ping is almost always 130-170ms, BUT my high is very bad. This is just because dialup isnt stable. Im not sure if this would solve the problem or if it can even be done, but if the server could not only store someones IP but their ?lag at different times and locations (arenas) because my thinking is that some people only use lag cheats when something is important to them. And when you see that some person one day was at about 100ms .0 .0 .0 and then the next week during a twdd match they were at 190ms .9 1.2 .7 then you would think something is up, now granted you would have to watch the pattern and make sure that they are doing it at a set time / place, just to make sure it wasnt ISP problems. Im sure if this went into effect you could see that my lag was and is the same as it has ever been, if anything my lag has become lower (because I spent about 100$ on a good modem). Point being, that a fast internet connection isnt available everywhere, you can rest assured that when high speed internet becomes available where I live, I will get it. If you lower the limits too low you just remove the dialup people from the game, which isnt really fair. Im thinking 330ms s2c:.5% c2s:.5% weapons:.5% <--Those would be max limits. Anything lower than that would definately eliminate the majority of dialup people. I know I lag, but i think that people that complain about my lag are just whiners, that will whine over any lag, could be wrong though.