Lag limits

[Sufficient]

When looking at appropriate lag limits we're not basing it on who plays 56k or eliminating 56kers. It's on what is a FAIR lag limit regardless of connection. We want FAIR teamplay ... I don't care if you're a cable user who lags or a 56ker who lags ... I don't discriminate btwn them ... you both lag. You both should be penalized by being specced.

To me 300 ms ping max is appropriate. Most cable, DSL, LAN users can deal with that AS WELL as 56kers. I also agree that 0.5 ploss across the board or lower than that would be a nice max. As we all said before ... the "skill lag" that I call it ... is usually because of flucuations in ping or ploss (any type of ploss). I believe Guano specifically addressed this issue when he worked on the new bots. I dunno if there is any 'help' or 'suggestions' we can give to the idea of fluctuations ... bc for sure, most of us have no idea what would be appropriate and how the bot measures these things (I'd say the programmers know the best ... a la Guano).

[Jason]

Here's the solution to everyone's problem with lag. Stop leaving the speccing up to the bot. Put real live people (referees) back in charge. We didn't have anywhere near the amount of lag complaints back when every TWL match was hosted manually. If some dude was skipping all over the place and the ref didn't like it, :%tickname:*spec.

[Bob (SRB)]

I was bding against syndicate a couple days ago. I was a shark and i just sat right infront of demonfaze and he couldnt kill me, because his spid bullets were appearing behind me. Now thats some $ syndicate lag.

Also i dont think there should be harsh restrictions on packetloss. I find packetloss doesnt have much affect at all on "laggy players." it is like 90% ping. When im playing with a ploss of like 4-5% i dont get anyone complaining about my lag. But as soon as my ping goes over 200, people say i lag. So a s2c and c2s limit of .5 is way too harsh i think.

[Mattey]

Here's the solution to everyone's problem with lag. Stop leaving the speccing up to the bot. Put real live people (referees) back in charge. We didn't have anywhere near the amount of lag complaints back when every TWL match was hosted manually. If some dude was skipping all over the place and the ref didn't like it, :%tickname:*spec.

No, just no.


Too subjective; I don't trust staff to self-police themselves. The bot won't discriminate between Hirluin and 2dragons.

[Gemfire]

Whats the "big problem" with lag? People say i eat hella bad...ok...


Thing is.........for laggots like me(who oddly hsa DSL...) its also just as hard to kill you I can get 10 hits on someone with 30 ms before they die...so its just as hgard for laggots to kill as be killed =p

[Stabwound]

It doesn't matter... if you are lagging bad enough to screw up the game, then you shouldn't play.

[Vitron]

Lag works in funny ways, one week when my isp was messing up I had some odd lag. The first day I couldn't hit anything and I kept dieing. On the second day, everything was smooth, no chopping on my end - only no one was shooting at me and if I shot in thier general direction they exploded.

Either way I shouldn't be allowed to make my team stink/have an advantage against the other team. Besides, no cap in his right mind will put a lagger in a ship where his lag isn't to the teams advantage.

-Stab nailed it-

[Mobey]

I was talking about lag limits before in chat.

[Mattey]

If lag limits are over 300 ms there's no point in having them.

[JeBu]

hope tw staff listen players. twl need lower lineups so does pub because there is laggots who jump everywhere! move limits from twd to pub and events and put new and lower limits to twl and twd

[PaulOakenfold]

God I hope Khanos can play this season! We over at Incuria love you Khanos! I hope your lag gets better!

[MetalKid]

I would say 350 ping with 1.0 ploss both ways should be the max. The difference between 300 and 350 is hardly anything and 350 would allow a lot more 56ks to be in the safe zone. 400, though, is far too high.

[Mattey]

There's an equal distance from 300 to 350 as there is from 350-400.


The limit should be 300 ms, no more, no less.

[Randedl]

300 ping
3% ploss
+/-15 tinfo

[PredatoR_FNM]

God I hope Khanos can play this season! We over at Incuria love you Khanos! I hope your lag gets better!

Joining Mambo cut down hes lag about 100ms and now Khanos has 0.0% 0.0% too.
Allthougth side-effect is that hes goin to lose hes net soon :I