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Originally posted by Epinephrine
**NOTE: I was not involved with this decision, nor do I have the power to make this decision or overturn it, so I'm just stating what I know of the incident and my opinion**
Looking at the rules ( http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=10813 ):
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As well, TWL is a privilege, not a right, and the League Operators can revoke this privilege for any player with sufficient cause.
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2.03 In order for a TWD Squad to qualify for TWL consideration, that Squad must meet all Trench Wars Leagues requirements.
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3.04 Any Squad Captain or Co-Captain found to be guilty of cheating to alter game play and to create an unfair advantage, will be subject to:
a) Permanent suspension from Trench Wars Leagues participation.
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The perponderance of evidence was that Tanked was fed games by Interface.
1) 3 squads came up to THE PUSHER and told him about how a Tanked captain offered to trade wins just hours before the deadline.
2) Tanked played Interface 3 times in TWBD and once in TWJD in the hour and a half before the deadline. Tanked won all three of the TWBDs and lost the TWJD to Interface.
3) Tanked played a twbd vs Interface at 3:42 PM EST, 4:17 PM EST and 4:49 PM EST on that day. Meanwhile they played a twjd vs Interface at 3:53 PM EST on the same day (stats taken from www.twdivisions.org).
Now from what I know a TWBD game takes at least 15 minutes to win, but it appears that a jav game was started BEFORE the TWBD game would have ended normally.
Those are the facts.
As well there is tangental evidence:
1) Interface at that point had only ever won 6 TWJD games:
Apr 25 win vs. Egyptian
Apr 23 win vs. Avalonian
Apr 22 win vs. Verone
Apr 21 win vs. Entirety
Apr 20 win vs. Avalonian
Apr 20 win vs. War Heros
Only 1 win ever against a squad currently above 1000 points. They won against Tanked, a pretty good TWJD team that had wins vs many teams of reasonable quality including my own.
2) At that point Interface had only played TWBD only TWICE EVER. Their 3rd, 4th, and 5th TWBD games were vs. Tanked an hour before the deadline.
3) As an observer of that game, Interface didn't even put in their 5th player until around 5 seconds left until the game would have forfeit. THE PUSHER had just warned in another arena that any obvious feeding would be looked down upon, and it was not unreasonable to think word might have already gotten out, especially from the number of spectators in that arena. Even if it wasn't, Interface didn't even have 4 people in the arena stably until those last 5 seconds (they had 4-5 people throughout who cycled in and out of the arena from spec). Did they put in someone because they knew THE PUSHER was looking?
4) As an observer of that game I can say that Sk8, the terrier for Interface was basically afk or at least not moving for 1/2 the game. Sure sometimes he would go to the lower base, but he'd just sit there motionless for long periods of time, easily getting killed. Does this look like the 'good basing game' that some have incinuated?
5) Tanked was in the last qualifying spot for TWLB. If Melee would have won their first game against Incuria that day Melee may have passed Tanked in the TWBD standings. Thus to be safe Tanked needed wins.
6) Interface was just out of qualification range of TWLJ. If Interface could of won a few more games, they might have made it.
I think from the facts of the game, and from the tangental evidence that any outside observer would say that feeding was indeed occuring for this situation because when all evidence points towards feeding, the likelyhood that it was all a crazy coincidence is too much to pass up.
Since we have already established that the spirit of the TWL rules must be followed for a squad to join TWL, and that the spirit of those rules are not adhered to when feeding is occuring, I wholly believe that THE PUSHER made the right call.
Tanked and Interface did something incredibly stupid, in an incredibly obvious way, at an incredibly incriminating time. Feeding may have occured in the past by any number of squads, but we'll never know. The fact that they did it, got caught for it, went through with it with changing wins, and have a mound of evidence supporting it made TWL's decision an easy one.
Because this rule wasn't set in stone and because previous infractions by other squads could never be measured, the penalty was not disqualification from TWL completely, as Tanked is allowed to go into TWLJ and allowed to join TWLB if any squad drops out during the season. Meanwhile Interface is presumably allowed to join TWLJ if they can qualify as #1 if a TWLJ squad drops out.
Looking at the rules ( http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=10813 ):
------------
As well, TWL is a privilege, not a right, and the League Operators can revoke this privilege for any player with sufficient cause.
-------------
2.03 In order for a TWD Squad to qualify for TWL consideration, that Squad must meet all Trench Wars Leagues requirements.
--------------
3.04 Any Squad Captain or Co-Captain found to be guilty of cheating to alter game play and to create an unfair advantage, will be subject to:
a) Permanent suspension from Trench Wars Leagues participation.
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The perponderance of evidence was that Tanked was fed games by Interface.
1) 3 squads came up to THE PUSHER and told him about how a Tanked captain offered to trade wins just hours before the deadline.
2) Tanked played Interface 3 times in TWBD and once in TWJD in the hour and a half before the deadline. Tanked won all three of the TWBDs and lost the TWJD to Interface.
3) Tanked played a twbd vs Interface at 3:42 PM EST, 4:17 PM EST and 4:49 PM EST on that day. Meanwhile they played a twjd vs Interface at 3:53 PM EST on the same day (stats taken from www.twdivisions.org).
Now from what I know a TWBD game takes at least 15 minutes to win, but it appears that a jav game was started BEFORE the TWBD game would have ended normally.
Those are the facts.
As well there is tangental evidence:
1) Interface at that point had only ever won 6 TWJD games:
Apr 25 win vs. Egyptian
Apr 23 win vs. Avalonian
Apr 22 win vs. Verone
Apr 21 win vs. Entirety
Apr 20 win vs. Avalonian
Apr 20 win vs. War Heros
Only 1 win ever against a squad currently above 1000 points. They won against Tanked, a pretty good TWJD team that had wins vs many teams of reasonable quality including my own.
2) At that point Interface had only played TWBD only TWICE EVER. Their 3rd, 4th, and 5th TWBD games were vs. Tanked an hour before the deadline.
3) As an observer of that game, Interface didn't even put in their 5th player until around 5 seconds left until the game would have forfeit. THE PUSHER had just warned in another arena that any obvious feeding would be looked down upon, and it was not unreasonable to think word might have already gotten out, especially from the number of spectators in that arena. Even if it wasn't, Interface didn't even have 4 people in the arena stably until those last 5 seconds (they had 4-5 people throughout who cycled in and out of the arena from spec). Did they put in someone because they knew THE PUSHER was looking?
4) As an observer of that game I can say that Sk8, the terrier for Interface was basically afk or at least not moving for 1/2 the game. Sure sometimes he would go to the lower base, but he'd just sit there motionless for long periods of time, easily getting killed. Does this look like the 'good basing game' that some have incinuated?
5) Tanked was in the last qualifying spot for TWLB. If Melee would have won their first game against Incuria that day Melee may have passed Tanked in the TWBD standings. Thus to be safe Tanked needed wins.
6) Interface was just out of qualification range of TWLJ. If Interface could of won a few more games, they might have made it.
I think from the facts of the game, and from the tangental evidence that any outside observer would say that feeding was indeed occuring for this situation because when all evidence points towards feeding, the likelyhood that it was all a crazy coincidence is too much to pass up.
Since we have already established that the spirit of the TWL rules must be followed for a squad to join TWL, and that the spirit of those rules are not adhered to when feeding is occuring, I wholly believe that THE PUSHER made the right call.
Tanked and Interface did something incredibly stupid, in an incredibly obvious way, at an incredibly incriminating time. Feeding may have occured in the past by any number of squads, but we'll never know. The fact that they did it, got caught for it, went through with it with changing wins, and have a mound of evidence supporting it made TWL's decision an easy one.
Because this rule wasn't set in stone and because previous infractions by other squads could never be measured, the penalty was not disqualification from TWL completely, as Tanked is allowed to go into TWLJ and allowed to join TWLB if any squad drops out during the season. Meanwhile Interface is presumably allowed to join TWLJ if they can qualify as #1 if a TWLJ squad drops out.
edit: You whine and say Elenya doesnt deserve into TWL for jding easy squads....well wtf was that? Auto-wins on a low squad...no different than what im sure most of you have complained about or were like -.- about...(this is to members of tanked)
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