Specials in TWL-B

[Ricko]

Can we block a certain someone from posting in here and every other TWL thread? Said person has never played TWL and isn't involved in the current season either, so is just eating up forum space.

Also, I'm not too bothered about having specials in base - WB has its advantages and disadvantages that it can actually be pretty difficult to play well with (only a few basers can actually utilise it effectively so shouldn't be punished for this).

I'm sure most basing games I've played in or specced that have had a WB or jav in has seen that special ship do pretty poorly.

[Kim]

this is indeed the truth, and regrettably what happened once pandora first specialized in the 5 spid line. 1 by 1 all 'top' basing squads had to give in and stop using wb, jav or wb+jav vs 5 spids, or they'd have no real chance on a title anymore.

i loved basing when being able to cope and react better to the chaos was what separated great from good players. that chaotic part (caused by aggro terr / sharks / laggy jav / wb) is now obviously frowned upon, also seen in all the changes that were proposed.. to me it's great that now the terr got made very boring, simply because the wb was forgotten about as an option by these 5v5 spiders-brainwashed people in charge, it's now suddenly discovered as a serious option again. I applaud Ease for wb'ing in twlb, hope he does it every game and mvps finals with 10+ teks.

however i realize i'm from a dif era, now a minority and not relevant anymore. so i guess in due time changes will be made so the best shark-duo + 5 spids will continue to reign supreme!

2dragons, most broken basejav ever to exist

[Falconeer]

Lot of ignorant people in here. Basically everyone who has commented so far are either completely irrelevant to TWLB 2019 or are on Thunder. What a surprise.

Turban the only one making sensible posts. Let's settle this with a captain's vote.

Yeah that's how you present arguments, just bring up people and how many tourneys the won. What happens when the people get good? or win tournaments, will you find another flaw in who they are before you debate the ideas? Or just ignore them after that because you can't put them down?

Anyway, I agreed with turbans changes to wb since they weren't too extreme. However, my posts reflect that removing specials altogether seems extreme and dumb. Thought this was initially a teenage ANGST post that was made because you were mad at turbans changes, and proposing removing specials as a joke.

[Pressure]

Lot of ignorant people in here. Basically everyone who has commented so far are either completely irrelevant to TWLB 2019 or are on Thunder. What a surprise.

Turban the only one making sensible posts. Let's settle this with a captain's vote.

[Hulk]

Thix and Rage are only complaining because they are scared to play against it. If WB is so strong than why wasn't there one in the last 10 seasons of TWLB? Most of the community doesn't know how or has forgotten how to play against one. It does ruin the game but in the end if your team can't win vs on then you probably don't deserve to win. :\

Edit: Now the new terr changes kind of suck because you now know when terrs have a port or not

[Falconeer]

this is indeed the truth, and regrettably what happened once pandora first specialized in the 5 spid line. 1 by 1 all 'top' basing squads had to give in and stop using wb, jav or wb+jav vs 5 spids, or they'd have no real chance on a title anymore.

i loved basing when being able to cope and react better to the chaos was what separated great from good players. that chaotic part (caused by aggro terr / sharks / laggy jav / wb) is now obviously frowned upon, also seen in all the changes that were proposed.. to me it's great that now the terr got made very boring, simply because the wb was forgotten about as an option by these 5v5 spiders-brainwashed people in charge, it's now suddenly discovered as a serious option again. I applaud Ease for wb'ing in twlb, hope he does it every game and mvps finals with 10+ teks.

however i realize i'm from a dif era, now a minority and not relevant anymore. so i guess in due time changes will be made so the best shark-duo + 5 spids will continue to reign supreme!

From an era that knew that skill was equal to risk... and when you have league gameplay setup to control for multiple factors, you are then left with boring gameplay. the less things to worry about the less skill it takes. more ships, more specials, and more entrances increase the challenge and the ways to die. i see nothing wrong with having specials, shrap is dodgeable, and i'd even go so far as to add more than one entrance... but i'm someone who enjoys challenging gameplay.

i always joked about giving spider 1 repel each, and just having terrier and spider in there, and rename to spider-basing league. who needs mines anyway?

[Dabram]

5 spiders will win against 1 special every game (top squad vs top squad). this is why it's always 5v5 spiders and has been proven by top squads to be the best strategy to win games. if people are losing with 5 spiders vs 4 spiders and a wb then there is something wrong with the 5 spider team.

this is indeed the truth, and regrettably what happened once pandora first specialized in the 5 spid line. 1 by 1 all 'top' basing squads had to give in and stop using wb, jav or wb+jav vs 5 spids, or they'd have no real chance on a title anymore.

i loved basing when being able to cope and react better to the chaos was what separated great from good players. that chaotic part (caused by aggro terr / sharks / laggy jav / wb) is now obviously frowned upon, also seen in all the changes that were proposed.. to me it's great that now the terr got made very boring, simply because the wb was forgotten about as an option by these 5v5 spiders-brainwashed people in charge, it's now suddenly discovered as a serious option again. I applaud Ease for wb'ing in twlb, hope he does it every game and mvps finals with 10+ teks.

however i realize i'm from a dif era, now a minority and not relevant anymore. so i guess in due time changes will be made so the best shark-duo + 5 spids will continue to reign supreme!

[7roll]

agreed with Sulla. specials out or weaken wb

[Sulla]

agreed with thix. specials out or weaken wb

[Poseidon]

nerf spider! nerf wb! more lancs!

also why when i click a thread it takes me to the bottom of the 1st page every time instead of the last post of the thread. tf is wrong w this forum

[Thrill]

I agree, and in my opinion that's a strong argument for nerfing the spider (in the future obviously). When ship selection is essentially dictated by the effectiveness of a ship/tactic and deviating from it means you are at a disadvantage, that is unhealthy game-play/imbalance.

[Jones]

5 spiders will win against 1 special every game (top squad vs top squad). this is why it's always 5v5 spiders and has been proven by top squads to be the best strategy to win games. if people are losing with 5 spiders vs 4 spiders and a wb then there is something wrong with the 5 spider team.

[Falconeer]

See above my edited comment about numbers how long it takes to kill a warbird right now.

So you're making it ever so slightly easier to kill a warbird, while retaining the WBs 1 hit kill. Good changes i guess, but i don't even think it's *THAT* hard to kill a warbird as a spider already. I faced POID in base and didn't find him a problem anywhere, his end score was like 50-50. I was actually surprised a warbird could maintain a positive 1:1 ratio. If warbids were getting 2:1 ratios in base then I would say *maybe* there's a problem. But maybe I am not really understanding the challenge here... or the reason for wanting a nerf. Whatever if it's just a small recharge tweak it seems fine then. It means only the more skilled warbirds will succeed in base as opposed to anyone who got into a warbird.

[Poseidon]

yes definitely shouldnt make mid season changes, i was just floating an idea to consider for next season. personally i dont think WB is OP enuff to warrant a mid season change

[Turban]

any suggestions for changes for basing are always welcome and we will accept them with open mind. unfortunately the fact is that season did already start and making changes mid-season is something we wish to avoid unless it is absolutely necessary for league balance. In my personal opinion warbird is too strong, but is it overpowered to the point where we require immediate changes? not too sure about that one, but we will most certainly discuss this topic among all TWL operators.