TWL-B Week 2: Hot or Not

[Nipple Nibbler]

Yes, if you get a shitty ass spider rec, but get teks, it's fine. But here are some more stats for you. Currently you have the 2nd to worst K/D in twl this season. Also 3rd worst kills per minute. Yes you got one lonely tek, gj on that. But stat-wise you were insignificant aside from the tek. If you die every time you get a kill, your team is now 7 vs 7 and you have no real advantage gained. Yes sometimes going 1-1 is worth it, you can gain space on it, there are tons of variables stats don't show. But over the course of an entire game it's not.

[renzi]

I likey the pew pew

[Rab]

How did you get this far thinking the game is about space? There's a reason the team with the most kills almost always wins. It boils down to who has the most energy used effectively. Your team misses out on a ton of energy when a spider dies, you'd better be getting something like saving your terr in return or it's not worth it.

[WillBy]

what it comes down to is you (and it would appear most every1 else) dont really understand how to guage effectivness in spid. They dont understand the difference between a smart death and a bad one. They dont understand the game as an atritino of space. All they know how to do is judge by record... which is exactly what u ppl are doing

While I understand your point about flag control vs rec (especially on under) you have to acknowledge that there is a correlation between record and winning percentage. By my count, all but 2 games so far this season the winning team has had a next positive K. It's the burden of the spiders to make up the deficit from the sharks. A good push (and resulting death) can lead to a tek, but any dropped coverage as a result can hurt your team. At the end of the day, decisions like "to push or not" are made in the moment, and hindsight is 20/20.

it's hard to get respect from the more veteran players here, and actions dont always speak as loud as words. Luckily, this forum is for you to use just as much as it is for Pressure. I thought your sequential breakdown of pushes was interesting. Basing needs more coverage, period (much thanks to Pressure, obviously). If you were to post breakdowns of a few other key moments in any game, I'd be interested in reading them.

[Poseidon]

I'm not out to get you, Poseidon. If you played great, I would have given you the HOT. This isn't personal, just thought you had a bad game. Happy to review the video after work to see the examples you provided and reassess to see if I was wrong (I don't think I am, but I could be).


That's 3.5 minutes you're spending dead in a max. 30 minute game. Huge waste of a player. When you die that much and kill that infrequently, your team is essentially playing man down for at least 10% of the game.

what it comes down to is you (and it would appear most every1 else) dont really understand how to guage effectivness in spid. They dont understand the difference between a smart death and a bad one. They dont understand the game as an atritino of space. All they know how to do is judge by record... which is exactly what u ppl are doing

[Poseidon]

LOL --- GUY WINS 3 PREVIOUS GAMES IN A ROW AS SHARK vs 10* SHARKS, SUBS IN SPID GETS 3 TEK IN 15 MIN, PUTS ONE "Paradise" IN SHARK IN HIS STEAD, AND STILL HAS TO DEAL W THIS BULLSHIT ^^^

is to be expected though, no hard feelings

[Majorcrisis2]

Hi every1. I made a post filled with claims, references to footage, etc. Its all there. I will reply to anyone who responds in turn. Though I dont expect any takers considering all of the evidence is in my favor. Im not looking for an apology, Pressure - I am simply proving to you with observable data how terrible and biased your assessment of the match is, and I am further challenging you to provide a single shred of evidence as to how I performed worse than Kado. Again, you are making a joke of yourself and the only apology u need to be making is vs your own sense of dignity.

Also reference to Pressure: I have only played two competitive "league" games as Under in my life. What I do in TWBD does not = TWLB. Three moments? The moment at 1:00 was the only such "gamble" i take in the entire game. And just observe: their entire team is behind top bar and I have my under partner behind me. Its a decent time for such aggression. However I still call it questionable because obviously my team was not good enough to handle it. Had Sarger and Renzi been on my team or like Turban or perhaps had Zid been there instead of Mcvicar or had Ro maybe, like, made SPACE and gone right instead of firing towards sharks that r already repping (00:57), what I did would have possibly resulted in TEK. However, in hindsight and now understanding better what team FIRE is like, I would not have made this play if I could re-do game, of course. If the worst moment of mine you can find is when I push under against a seemingly cornered team (and while under partner behind me) only to distract FOUR of their spids for 3 sec b4 getting blasted... well. ill take it!
Anyways, you might also want to look at the basing cup finals, game 3 if you'd like to see some more outstanding Under play from one Poseidon. In this instance I sub Ra in spider, manage to get 3/6 TEK in half the game vs Mikkiz (as under), and bring a 2-11 game to 15-14. Oh right, and Kado was my opponent Under. You can see one "Pressure" commenting in that video what a great switch I made... "whatever that was"... would have to agree !



also would like to add, that was meant just for Team Fire. Gun played great, is ridiculuosly gud team, and I have loads of respect for many of their players. Cheers

U won that basing cup because u got urself out of shark. U were playing terrible in shark that last round, u were basicly the reason why ur team was 2-11.

[Pressure]

also would like to add, that was meant just for Team Fire. Gun played great, is ridiculuosly gud team, and I have loads of respect for many of their players. Cheers

I'm not out to get you, Poseidon. If you played great, I would have given you the HOT. This isn't personal, just thought you had a bad game. Happy to review the video after work to see the examples you provided and reassess to see if I was wrong (I don't think I am, but I could be).

imagine how many BD i have had where i go 50-65 w perhaps 2-3 tek, have someone like banks or nipple nibbler on the other team MVPing with 120 kills, and still win game by 10 min.

That's 3.5 minutes you're spending dead in a max. 30 minute game. Huge waste of a player. When you die that much and kill that infrequently, your team is essentially playing man down for at least 10% of the game.

[Poseidon]

^^^^ LOL AT PEOPLE COMING AT ME WITH RECORD. YOU ARE SUCH NOOPIS. IT IS ACTUALLY KIND OF UNBELIEVABLE. THE GAME IS WON THROUGH CONTROL OF FLAG, NOT YOUR SPIDERS RECORDS LOL

imagine how many BD i have had where i go 50-65 w perhaps 2-3 tek, have someone like banks or nipple nibbler on the other team MVPing with 120 kills, and still win game by 10 min.

Let me put a scenario to you. You are in a basing match. Throughout the game, one of your spiders kills the terr 2 times, makes them port 5 times, is making them nervous the entire game, and signle handedly makes enemy sharks rep about 200 times throughout the match, and is constantly making and holding space. All while winning essentially any fair-fight 1v1 spid engagement ever faced with, and being unbreachable under unless 2v1 rushed. This spid ends with 90-75 rec. Another one of your spids has 0 tek (or 1 they lucked out on bc other spids were pushing), hardly focuses sharks in any phase of the game (or is SLOW to b/c they fixated on killing that spid over yonder), hardly pressures terr, never forced port, wud get destroyed 1v1 by previously mentioned spid, doesnt know how to under, and ends as MVP with 130-60 rec. Need I say more?

[Poseidon]

Hi every1. I made a post filled with claims, references to footage, etc. Its all there. I will reply to anyone who responds in turn. Though I dont expect any takers considering all of the evidence is in my favor. Im not looking for an apology, Pressure - I am simply proving to you with observable data how terrible and biased your assessment of the match is, and I am further challenging you to provide a single shred of evidence as to how I performed worse than Kado. Again, you are making a joke of yourself and the only apology u need to be making is vs your own sense of dignity.

Also reference to Pressure: I have only played two competitive "league" games as Under in my life. What I do in TWBD does not = TWLB. Three moments? The moment at 1:00 was the only such "gamble" i take in the entire game. And just observe: their entire team is behind top bar and I have my under partner behind me. Its a decent time for such aggression. However I still call it questionable because obviously my team was not good enough to handle it. Had Sarger and Renzi been on my team or like Turban or perhaps had Zid been there instead of Mcvicar or had Ro maybe, like, made SPACE and gone right instead of firing towards sharks that r already repping (00:57), what I did would have possibly resulted in TEK. However, in hindsight and now understanding better what team FIRE is like, I would not have made this play if I could re-do game, of course. If the worst moment of mine you can find is when I push under against a seemingly cornered team (and while under partner behind me) only to distract FOUR of their spids for 3 sec b4 getting blasted... well. ill take it!
Anyways, you might also want to look at the basing cup finals, game 3 if you'd like to see some more outstanding Under play from one Poseidon. In this instance I sub Ra in spider, manage to get 3/6 TEK in half the game vs Mikkiz (as under), and bring a 2-11 game to 15-14. Oh right, and Kado was my opponent Under. You can see one "Pressure" commenting in that video what a great switch I made... "whatever that was"... would have to agree !

HOT: Poseidon, Zidane
NOT: The rest of Fire

also would like to add, that was meant just for Team Fire. Gun played great, is ridiculuosly gud team, and I have loads of respect for many of their players. Cheers

[Nipple Nibbler]

Wait is Poseidon really trying to justify a 62-56 rec? The lowest kill count out of all 10 spiders? I mean I get it, it's TWL and you're up against GOOD spiders like spezza, trapped, skat, and turb. Since I came back to the game I have watched you get better poseidon, but you're still not at that calibur yet. You made the "not" because you had a bad game, suck it up and stop throwing excuses and blame around. Do better next time.

Pressure Nice write up so far keep it going!

[Gkyde1234]

I've seen cyclone put up better games under than posiden in that match.

[Pressure]

Poseidon, I expressed this issue to you since I came back from hiatus in January and first noticed it. When you over-rush and suicide the entire game, you may force a good play 10-20% of the time, but the remaining 80% of the game your play-style merely serves as a handicap and leaves your team disadvantaged. You seem to think you are helping, and your philosophy is exemplified by you pointing out like 3 moments in a nearly 30 minute game to prove your point (the 10-20% I was referring to).

Is this your first time being selected for NOT player of the week? I'm surprised by the salt. I'm not going to change my post nor apologize. I watched the game in its entirety and felt you had a bad game. Was the loss wholly attributable to you? No. Would they have done better with a better under partner for kado? In my opinion, yes.

[Rab]

kado> pos needs to be under since it's spez/kate
pos> I am under, tf u talking about
kado> it's just me defending spez/kate
pos> cause I pushed and was 4v1

[roro]

What the hell