TWL 2021!

[Poseidon]

dont need to rush it, olde, tho i woulda announced twl a few months ago and skipped this current twdt.

agree with pressure it is good to allow a full twd season to occur, promoting greater intrigue in the recruiting wars and also the possible creation of more squads as is becomes more obvious leading up to TWL that whichever players might not have a starting spot on their current squad.

aim for a mid march start

twd might not be as active now but it appears to me there are more active players wanting to participate in TWL than there has been in a long while, at least for basing. i would expect there to be 8 or so teams given ppl are proactive and dont resign themselves to being benchers

will echo what ive said before:
rotate each season between twdt and twl, having smaller tournaments or basing cup style leagues in between as feels appropriate. this is what hz does. try to aim for around 1.5 TWL a year. the consistency would behoove the playerbase and streamline league activity.

also next twdt could allow draft team members to double squad and have their own TWD draft team and run a shorter 6-week twd season leading up to twdt - should help motivate interest in the league and also keep the zone healtheir.

[olde]

This should have been officially announced in December and started the last sunday of January running into February/March for an 8 week season.
For prime activity. As there isn't major holidays and its the heart of winter/covid season.... Really would have been your best shot to getting enough competition teams.

Last time a warm weather TWL was ran there was activity issues, and people going MIA/no showing was huge impact. Most people spend the beginning of warm weather sundays outside or doing activities. TWL should be considered to only be ran during winter months for best competition.

Playing it during late spring into summer. Only caters to the basement dwellers.... Not saying it can't be saved, or its too late but announce it ASAP or dont have it at all.

[Vehicle]

Anyone who has ever spent the time to run a league deserves tremendous thanks. So thanks Tiny for all the work you've done over several seasons and multiple years.

I'm only a ZH right now and am not comfortable being a sole league op but I volunteer to help run whatever comes next, whether it's TWL, another DT or something else. I ran DT 15 years ago, how card can it be? Really, though, if someone is willing to step up and help run the show I'll help do the grunt work. Just reach out.

[ogron]

Tiny you did a nice job Tiny, thanks for your efforts past few years.

Don't let upper staff get you down, they've been doing that to league ops forever. The work you, zid, Mythril, Ease, turban, and others did in TWL and TWDT was fantastic, and I think most of the player base appreciates it most of the time, even if they don't post on forums or pm you.

You contributed to positive and fun experiences for hundreds of people, and that's something worthwhile.

[Exalt]

I'm out for running leagues, and for a few reasons....rant time...

1) I've already run many leagues, kind of burned out from it, nothing really in it for me after running twl/twdt/twel multiple times, but i will participate!

2) I did not like the last 2 experiences I had as running leagues, the first time I ran twl for a couple of seasons, i was going to be promoted to smod and head league op, and turban bamboozled the league ops and created a coup. Still bitter about that, but it's an ongoing joke now. The second time around, I was treated like a child by henry saari most of the time not trusting me, and after running twdt 2x/twl/twel/elim, the powers that be still wanted to hang on to their power by not naming people head league ops so they could keep the power for themselves and have complete oversight of everything so the ops had to make decisions through them. This was annoying, expecially when trying to alias check and not having alias powers, and having people evade because we had to pass names along to have someone "trusted" check the names, which is stupid, as the person running the league should have control over that and should be trusted. It really pissed me off when the people checking names lied about who was aliasing. We were checking to see if people were active and rating them based on activity and to have other staff hiding that was tilting. When asked why there was no head league op, the response was, "we don't really need one", which is false, they just named themselves the head league ops and incorporated the job into theirs and used other people willing to help as puppets. It was a bunch of bullshit imo, and insulting to say the least. The best person I dealt with on staff was Tucker, 5 Stars brother, followed closely by Biet.

Maybe more to come, but i think I'm done hosting for now.

Staff being useless as corrupt as always I see. Nice rant regardless. I've never understood how 90% of staff ever got the job when they're almost always incompetent, while people like Tiny have to run through hoops to get the only thing keeping this game alive running with no help from 'staff'. Every single one of them not named Qan/Biet/a select few others should he fired tbh.

[Pressure]

We should also consider whether it would be best to have TWL early or later in the year.

If TWL is next, just announce a TWL start date for 2-4 months from now and allow for a full season of TWD to occur. Don't worry about squad number right now. Squads will form.

[LF]

For bd at least: dice, Pandora, spastic, rapid, thunder... maybe 6

I'm fairly confident that FU Inc. (Or whatever version of it exists come twl) will also participate. With half the sheep on Pandora clinging to Ease's coattails for dear life and splitting to Thunder, that makes 6 relatively competitive squads. If someone like apt remakes Juice I'm sure he'd get enough to field a line each week. Maybe the euro's bring back one of their squads like Dudgeon too. Thats best case scenario of course but I don't think that 8 squads is outside of the realm of probability.

[LF]

rant time

I'm not responding in an attempt to convince you to change your mind, but for what it's worth most of what you described has permeated staff for many, many years. I could make quite the list as to why trust has been at a premium but I won't. The bottom line is that most, if not all of the reasons you have for not wanting to take this bull by the horns has been remedied, at least to an extent. I can't offer a solution to the trolling other than it only works if it bothers you. I've been dealing with an unrelated troll for 10 years now and it really doesn't phase me anymore.

Bottom line is that this doesn't happen unless we spread out the workload among the community and you are among a select few that are highly qualified to make this happen. We (the zone) need players like you not just to play but to help keep it running for everybody else. It's a thankless job and no matter how much you give, others will find fault in your contributions. Just a fact of life. I'm sure if some of you vets don't step up, SOMEBODY will, but do we really want Dragon_Tamer4715 running our premium leagues?

I hope you reconsider.

[Tiny]

RaCka

beam

Tiny

Vys

zidane 8.5.5







How can we help get things rolling?

I'm out for running leagues, and for a few reasons....rant time...

1) I've already run many leagues, kind of burned out from it, nothing really in it for me after running twl/twdt/twel multiple times, but i will participate!

2) I did not like the last 2 experiences I had as running leagues, the first time I ran twl for a couple of seasons, i was going to be promoted to smod and head league op, and turban bamboozled the league ops and created a coup. Still bitter about that, but it's an ongoing joke now. The second time around, I was treated like a child by henry saari most of the time not trusting me, and after running twdt 2x/twl/twel/elim, the powers that be still wanted to hang on to their power by not naming people head league ops so they could keep the power for themselves and have complete oversight of everything so the ops had to make decisions through them. This was annoying, expecially when trying to alias check and not having alias powers, and having people evade because we had to pass names along to have someone "trusted" check the names, which is stupid, as the person running the league should have control over that and should be trusted. It really pissed me off when the people checking names lied about who was aliasing. We were checking to see if people were active and rating them based on activity and to have other staff hiding that was tilting. When asked why there was no head league op, the response was, "we don't really need one", which is false, they just named themselves the head league ops and incorporated the job into theirs and used other people willing to help as puppets. It was a bunch of bullshit imo, and insulting to say the least. The best person I dealt with on staff was Tucker, 5 Stars brother, followed closely by Biet.

Maybe more to come, but i think I'm done hosting for now.

[Jessup]

allow bd squads to have double squadding so enuff can form.. i plan on Paladen going too i hope

[ogron]

I feel like historically going by TWD squads always undersells the amount of teams that actually end up in TWL.

A lot of players come back just for TWL. A lot of big squads break up into smaller ones.

[Exalt]

If Dynasty sticks around, which I'm pretty sure it will, add that to the list. It's the most active squad in the game right now, with every member actively playing (compared to almost all other squads consisting of 75% inactives who borrow nonstop for TWD).

[Dwopple]

RaCka

beam

Tiny

Vys

zidane 8.5.5







How can we help get things rolling?

[Nipple Nibbler]

6 is fine, 4 make playoffs easy math.

[renzi]

For bd id say you probably can count on some variation of at least: dice, Pandora, spastic, rapid, thunder....I’d possibly be up for running a squad as well, but that’s still only maybe 6