TWL 2021!

[Tiny]

With whoever is designing the new skins, allow skins for for twl, and also allow home arenas. Could even take it another level. Allow twd home arenas. The bot is already coded for it, you just have to do !challenge *:4:twddsilence

[Nipple Nibbler]

Thanks for the announcement Dwopple . Hopefully this can get the ball rolling on people getting squads ready. Maybe I will even participate this season.....maybe.

[Dwopple]

If this happens I’d prefer it to be announced as early as possible to allow players to form squads and see where they stand in regards to their respective squad roster

Already announced!!

https://forums.trenchwars.com/twl/13...e-announcement

[Omega Red]

Agreed on stricter and smaller roster limits. I also think it wouldn’t be a bad idea to go back to letting teams/caps negotiate a time to play (in a certain time frame) to ensure they’ll have the players they need since it would be a smaller group. Maybe even let teams/caps negotiate a time AND day, then move to Sunday games only once playoffs start.

If this happens I’d prefer it to be announced as early as possible to allow players to form squads and see where they stand in regards to their respective squad roster

[renzi]

Agreed on stricter and smaller roster limits. I also think it wouldn’t be a bad idea to go back to letting teams/caps negotiate a time to play (in a certain time frame) to ensure they’ll have the players they need since it would be a smaller group. Maybe even let teams/caps negotiate a time AND day, then move to Sunday games only once playoffs start.

[Dreamwin]

Really hoping for super strict roster limits this year which I have been calling for multiple season. For WB/JAV like 8 (forcing people to play and get better in multiple leagues + more teams + no 3-league stacking) and separate basing rosters (10) like last year. Or make it completely combined with roster limit of 11-12 with the same effect.

[Vehicle]

It was max/max/8/7/6 in the last season. And about the 7-6* stuff. Like you said it inflated. Two 7* should be able to beat a 10* if u look to the stars, but i am pretty sure they will have a hard time. Isnt it time to go back to the old star system where a 7 was a decent twd player/twl sub. I feel like most 7* rarely play the ship but got 7 because they got shipcontrol and aim in some other ship. For example, with all respect, are players like pressure, porkjet and sarger really worth as much to sub in twl in a wb or jav? Instead the people who should be in this group are rated as 8* in my opinion.

This. The half-star system automatically boosted everyone who has more than 100 hours logged into a 7*. The ratings are broken. In a way it makes 6* players the most crucial member of the team, which was obviously not the intent. I'm not good at math, I don't know how to fix it, but it's definitely broken.

[Nipple Nibbler]

But why TWL only once a year? Just a few reasons off the top of my head:

- More people get to participate in DT than in TWL.

- TWL has been known to kill the zone after

- TWL will feel less important if it is run too frequently

- Stacking in TWL is a HUGE problem. The top teams in TWL will outclass the other teams way too much. This makes it not even really worth playing on the lower tier teams. Lower tier teams in DT can usually net some wins in other divisions at least.

- Generally speaking, players give their best in TWL and are more relaxed in DT/TWD. Putting in your 110% too often is draining for the players.



With more and more players getting good in multiple ships, along with a smaller player base, maybe it is time to tighten the roster caps for TWL. This would help some with stacking problem.

[Iron]

Because TWL isn't as fun as old TWDT?

The perfect balance of seasons is 2 TWDTs (one star cap, one with low-star slots like 2014-2018) and 1 TWL. Games where 60-75% of the line is TWL caliber and 25-40% is lower star players (but still decent) tends to be the sweet spot for competitive, fun seasons.

TWL skews too hard one way, and TWDT Star Cap skews too hard towards punishing you for being really good. The move away from max slots and playing with some 8s and 7s (accounting for recent ratings inflations) is really baffling and frustrating. The challenge of playing as a 10* is fun once a year, but 3x a year just sucks the fun out of it.

Our best 3 players this season put up nearly 37-40 kills in several TWDT-D games and lost them all because the talent difference between an 8* and a 9* is small and the difference between a 7* and a 6* is astronomical. It doesn't matter what you do when 2 of your 5 teammates are going 1-10 and 3-10 every game.

The frustrating thing is we solved this problem 7 years ago, and it's been reintroduced. We eliminated the 5* slot (with inflation, current 6*s). So we eliminated the 6* slot by 2020 standards because people going 2-10 every game is so crippling and un-fun. The TWDT-D and TWDT-J games were something like Max/Max/9/8/7 slots before the Star Cap System, and it worked well.

I'm fine with one season a year being star cap, it lets 8*s and 7*s feel insanely powerful and have fun, and some 10*s can try to go super saiyan and carry treating it like TWL, but 3 is just awful.

TWL is fun if you're on a stacked squad or getting to play with who you want to play with, but TWDT (pre-Star Cap) is way more fun. Why wouldn't we run something that is more fun for more people more often?

And playing more than 3 seasons feels like too much, so do the math. 2 TWDTs, 1 TWL. Pretty simple.

This.

[Majorcrisis2]

Because TWL isn't as fun as old TWDT?

The perfect balance of seasons is 2 TWDTs (one star cap, one with low-star slots like 2014-2018) and 1 TWL. Games where 60-75% of the line is TWL caliber and 25-40% is lower star players (but still decent) tends to be the sweet spot for competitive, fun seasons.

TWL skews too hard one way, and TWDT Star Cap skews too hard towards punishing you for being really good. The move away from max slots and playing with some 8s and 7s (accounting for recent ratings inflations) is really baffling and frustrating. The challenge of playing as a 10* is fun once a year, but 3x a year just sucks the fun out of it.

Our best 3 players this season put up nearly 37-40 kills in several TWDT-D games and lost them all because the talent difference between an 8* and a 9* is small and the difference between a 7* and a 6* is astronomical. It doesn't matter what you do when 2 of your 5 teammates are going 1-10 and 3-10 every game.

The frustrating thing is we solved this problem 7 years ago, and it's been reintroduced. We eliminated the 5* slot (with inflation, current 6*s). So we eliminated the 6* slot by 2020 standards because people going 2-10 every game is so crippling and un-fun. The TWDT-D and TWDT-J games were something like Max/Max/9/8/7 slots before the Star Cap System, and it worked well.

I'm fine with one season a year being star cap, it lets 8*s and 7*s feel insanely powerful and have fun, and some 10*s can try to go super saiyan and carry treating it like TWL, but 3 is just awful.

TWL is fun if you're on a stacked squad or getting to play with who you want to play with, but TWDT (pre-Star Cap) is way more fun. Why wouldn't we run something that is more fun for more people more often?

And playing more than 3 seasons feels like too much, so do the math. 2 TWDTs, 1 TWL. Pretty simple.

It was max/max/8/7/6 in the last season. And about the 7-6* stuff. Like you said it inflated. Two 7* should be able to beat a 10* if u look to the stars, but i am pretty sure they will have a hard time. Isnt it time to go back to the old star system where a 7 was a decent twd player/twl sub. I feel like most 7* rarely play the ship but got 7 because they got shipcontrol and aim in some other ship. For example, with all respect, are players like pressure, porkjet and sarger really worth as much to sub in twl in a wb or jav? Instead the people who should be in this group are rated as 8* in my opinion.

[ogron]

but why?
why once a year and not once every .75 yr?

Because TWL isn't as fun as old TWDT?

The perfect balance of seasons is 2 TWDTs (one star cap, one with low-star slots like 2014-2018) and 1 TWL. Games where 60-75% of the line is TWL caliber and 25-40% is lower star players (but still decent) tends to be the sweet spot for competitive, fun seasons.

TWL skews too hard one way, and TWDT Star Cap skews too hard towards punishing you for being really good. The move away from max slots and playing with some 8s and 7s (accounting for recent ratings inflations) is really baffling and frustrating. The challenge of playing as a 10* is fun once a year, but 3x a year just sucks the fun out of it.

Our best 3 players this season put up nearly 37-40 kills in several TWDT-D games and lost them all because the talent difference between an 8* and a 9* is small and the difference between a 7* and a 6* is astronomical. It doesn't matter what you do when 2 of your 5 teammates are going 1-10 and 3-10 every game.

The frustrating thing is we solved this problem 7 years ago, and it's been reintroduced. We eliminated the 5* slot (with inflation, current 6*s). So we eliminated the 6* slot by 2020 standards because people going 2-10 every game is so crippling and un-fun. The TWDT-D and TWDT-J games were something like Max/Max/9/8/7 slots before the Star Cap System, and it worked well.

I'm fine with one season a year being star cap, it lets 8*s and 7*s feel insanely powerful and have fun, and some 10*s can try to go super saiyan and carry treating it like TWL, but 3 is just awful.

TWL is fun if you're on a stacked squad or getting to play with who you want to play with, but TWDT (pre-Star Cap) is way more fun. Why wouldn't we run something that is more fun for more people more often?

And playing more than 3 seasons feels like too much, so do the math. 2 TWDTs, 1 TWL. Pretty simple.

[Dwopple]

There's really no debate on how often due to two prevalent factors... 1) dwindling population, and 2) competitive leagues are organized and ran by us, the community, and volunteer staffers.

TWL s24 will be following TWDT s22, and a full forum announcement with more details (high level dates, ops, etc.) is being organized by multiple staffers & volunteers to be posted before TWDT s22 finals. In all honesty, we're looking to piggyback on some of the more-recent global lockdown extensions, and pull back some of the players who logged in at the start of the pandemic last year. This may (or may not) be one of the last LARGE TWLs before normalcy starts returning. We have no idea, but we do know there is enough of the TW population wanting to play another competitive league after TWDT, so we're actively organizing something.

Have some patience with us on the full announcement, but get HYPED for another TWL

[Poseidon]

TWL should only be once a year, being the premier league.

but why?
why once a year and not once every .75 yr?
are ogrons overinflated notions of glory really so dependent upon how many days lie between titles?

...people appeared ready to rumble after previous twdt ended. and this only 4-5 months after the conclusion of last TWL. p sure there was a poll somewhere on the forum and a pretty healthy majority chose TWL.
twl is higher quality games, more competitive and thus more fun for competitors. its no surprise people chose it over twdt even so soon after its previous concluded season.

[warbirdmaster#1]

Thank you Tiny and all the staffers that helped/contributed for us normies to participate in TWL/TWDT/other leagues. Make TW gREAT AgAIN

[Nipple Nibbler]

TWL should only be once a year, being the premier league.

We should probably drop DT to twice a year and have something random between the DT's.

I think last TWL was in January? it was near the start of 2020 I remember that much. If we can start getting the ball rolling now, we can have teams start to organize for brief break of just TWD after DT. March would be a great time to start TWL, and have it wrap up before the good weather hits NA.

If we can at least get some sort of schedule up and running and have someone announced to run it, that would be an awesome start. If we can do that, we can tell people the schedule while they are still around because of DT, this would be better than trying to track down the playerbase we currently have.