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  • Why Trench Wars Leagues Season 8 Will Suck

    Has anybody else noticed a lack of competition in Trench Wars as of late? As in, the good players just aren't around, and the up-and-comers aren't as up-and-coming as they once were - take after TWL season 6.

    Sure, there are a few exceptions, but in an overall sense, this is true.

    Because of the fact that school has started for the year, summer vacation is over, that World of Warcraft game is here, or whatever else, people are far more occupied than they would be during the summer.

    As of right now, and no offence to anybody at all, there is probably a maximum of three competative squads in each of the three leagues with no real reason to think things will change.

    For some reason, people preached that during the summer, not enough people are able to play TWL. Citing reasons such as good weather and vacation, the people against summer leagues seemed to be alot louder than the people for common sense.

    I admit, people do go out for a vacation during the summer. Further, a lot of people would rather spend their time in the nice weather outside rather than staring at a monitor.

    However, to dispute this being a reason to change the TWL schedule - I really do not think that any large proportion of the TWL community is going out on vacation at the exact same time. Further, missing a player for a week or two isn't normally going to be that big of a deal in terms of how your squad's season will turn out. I don't think that vacations played a huge part in how TWL Season 7 turned out.

    Oh, and by the way; over the entirity of summer, the weather is nice. If a guy isn't going to be able to take an hour or two out of a Sunday afternoon, then he probably isn't going to make it at all, no matter when the season is. I enjoyed the weather as well, but hey, Monday-Friday were nice as well.

    Now let's move on to what the new schedule will look like. First of all, a bunch of people are living in University dorms - I've done this before. Now, I don't think that I would be the only one to say that when i was in a dorm, the internet was pretty much unusable in terms of online games. For whatever reason, you will have a 2000 ping or 20% packetloss or whatnot. It is inevitable that one will lose interest in a game if they are unable to play!

    So, take all the people living in University dorms out of the equation, for the entire school year (not just a week or two AND all at the same time).

    Okay next, for people in high school. You go to school 5 days a week, 8 hours a day, the weekend hits, it is your chance to actually do something with your friends. Would you rather spend the 2 days that you get off hanging out with buddies, or have obligations in terms of subspace?

    Oh, but wait - there's more. I am sure that most of you play a sport. Further, I am sure that your sports are mostly scheduled on the weekend (I know soccer was). Even further, for North America at least, the hours of your sport will probably conflict with TWL hours. If you are playing the sport to begin with, then it WILL be your priority.

    Okay, so now, take out the people in University dorms, take out the people playing sports, and take out the people who want to spend their 2 days off doing something other than Subspace (I'm sure they exist).

    Who's left? It doesn't really matter, but it is sure to be a far smaller percentage than we would see during the summer. The population statistics speak for themselves - I haven't seen 700 people online in a while. . . Since summer in fact. Now, just by proportion, with a smaller player pool to draw from, the overall skill level will inevitably decline. There will still be those top squads with the top players all grouped together, but there will be fewer of them - and a far larger gap between the top and the bottom.

    Now, that said, I will most likely play TWL whenever it is scheduled (working year round means the seasons don't affect you very much). However, I would prefer to see more competition over the course of the season rather than 8 weeks of games that the outcome is never in doubt - we had enough of those in the summer.

    Note to TWL ops: This is not a post encouraging lowering the number of teams that qualify for TWL, the more the merrier for me, I would like to play as many games as possible and, thus, have each one count for less in the grand scheme of things. This post is just a prediction. . . And maybe a plea to hold out on the next TWL? I know it would suck to wait even longer, but I also think that it would suck to look back and say "WOW, THAT SEASON SUCKED".

    PS. I think it is ironic that the Pallies were the most adamant enforcers of a Winter league and that, last i checked, their top players had left or were inactive, and that they were openly recruiting people on the forums. No offence, yer all cool, but you guys didn't think that one through eh?

    PPS. Maybe the biggest reason the season will suck: Where is THE PUSHER???
    Last edited by Randedl; 10-06-2004, 12:32 AM.
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  • #2
    you make some good points but leauges have a way of making people get interested in the game again when the time comes. wait until a month before the leagues start, maybe shriek will come back, maybe value will come back (as they always seem to do), maybe pirates will be active again. -FINAL- is taking the off-season off they'll be back as well, obviously not as strong without Raspi there doing most of the wb work, but still very strong. Then you got the obvious choices with Grapevine, Pallies (banzi, blood, vihta, and hellzno! are still a line that can beat anyone) and Venom. Disoblige and Sk8 seem to be the popular choices this time around so i would expect to see them show up for leagues in style. And all of this doesn't even include basing (cus that league sucks in my opinion). Plus theres those squads that come and go like Nasir's squad, which will probably be renamed Egyptian by the start of the season. Maybe that Rusher squad can show up and win a few games. Victory and Dynasty will probably be recreated about 3 times each between now and then. Showdown/Exaile could contend. And probably one other squad not yet even conceived of will show up and give Venom a real challenge (like rampage did for elusive season 6).

    yeah it doesn't look so good right now but hey, theres still lots of time and lots of squads in the TWL-D/J leagues that are around (inactive right now, but will probably be active when the time comes) that will put on a show.

    give it time
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    • #3
      I still have no clue why EVERYONE was so happy that TWL 8 would be held during the school semester. If you're still in school and wish to do quasi-well in it, I'm sure you're going to spend the majority of your time doing assignments or studying instead of doing JDs and studying dueling tactics.
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      • #4
        No one studies that hard

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Randedl
          PPS. Maybe the biggest reason the season will suck: Where is THE PUSHER???

          The pusher was on a self imposed break from SS until Oct 1st.

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          • #6
            lol give it up....ss is about ready to die. people treat this game as if its a real league that you get paid for.

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            • #7
              Did you really have to say that Awesome ? Damnit your such a good joker!

              And to add something to Rogue's comment. I am beginning to really lose interest in this game. This game is like a continuous deja-vu. It used to be cool years ago, or maybe I took the game different, but it had a lot of different and more allround players. Now there are like 30 squads that we hardly fight against and are probably not even worth fighting, some squads that could be worth fighting are not really active and dont care because they will reach TWL anyways. These days squads like Sk8 are acting more superior today and are not that cool funclub anymore that they used to be. Also there are a lot of mediocre players on squads where they might not even belong, but just get recruited for status or maybe friendship and keep up the bullshit talking or thinking they are elite. A good squad like Disoblige doesnt allways seem to care when they play, ofcourse they are entitled to take this game non-seriously, but it sucks in a 'competitive-way', and there are also a few squads like Laser, who are not so bad and actually do good some times with who I am in some sort of rivalry apparently since some people pm me and my members with various stuff, and which I get so pissed when it goes bad we actually lose to Laser. I mean I see the same shit coming back everyday. 'I turn on' my TWforums and I see the up and coming thread and I see the same people whining everyday about how good they are and what they did in TWL. What kind of online game is this ? Is this the only thing we can do ? Sit with your fat ass in front of your monitor and say how good you are and how elite your squad is ? I can imagine people playing world of warcraft, thats ALL about fun I would say. In here there is like 90% egos who are full with shit and I doubt it will change. Even some squads that havent been around for long talk shit like hell.
              Last edited by Nasir; 10-06-2004, 04:55 AM.
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              • #8
                i also think that there are to little good squads, there are some of them, but not to much
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                • #9
                  There used to be 2, and only 2, competitive squads in the leagues. You know the classic rivlaries, Siege - Elusive, Disoblige - Pallies and so on.

                  Now there are 4 of these IN EACH LEAGUE, of whom any could win the cup.

                  I don't think it has become less competitive.
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                  • #10
                    Siege, Elusive, -Final-, Scrotals Horde!!... not 2.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jeansi
                      There used to be 2, and only 2
                      fuck you, koan

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                      • #12
                        I'm glad someone brought this up instead of me. For a month I thought about this, since I came back from my vacations TW has lost "skill". I dont understand why but its the truth. There arent as many good squads as there used to be.. I mean even Venom cant be compared to Elusive / Siege.
                        What about TWL season 6 when you had Light / Rampage / Elusive / Shriek(plus Disoblige who took the TWLJ title).

                        I'll just compare:

                        TWL Season 6:
                        - TWLD "hot" squads: Light / Rampage / Elusive / Melee
                        -TWLJ "hot" squads: Rampage / Elusive / Shriek / Disoblige

                        TWL season 7:
                        - TWLD "hot" squads: Pallies / Grapevine / Syndicate / -FINAL-
                        - TWLJ "hot" squads: Pallies / Syndicate / Shriek / -FINAL-

                        TWL season 8 (from what so far)

                        - TWLD "hot" squads: Grapevine / Venom / Sk8 / Pirates
                        - TWLJ "hot" squads: Venom / Dice / Sk8 / Disoblige

                        Plus this season you got these squads like Rusher and Exaile / Showdown that I wont talk about because u never know where they are going to die.

                        After making this I honestly think there is a lack of skill atm. We dont have the good and invencible squads anymore. Maybe its better (more competition), maybe its not (less interest in the game). I hope this really changes until the season starts but if not we'll have a "poor" season, believe me folks.
                        Another point, last season the number of forfeits and squads dissolving mid - TWL was really HIGH..
                        I do think in TWL 8 this number will increase even more.

                        SOLUTION: I'm not a problem solver but I do think that if anything changes we should reduce the number of teams in TWLD / J and make it that everyone plays everyone.

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                        Last edited by Primordial; 10-06-2004, 09:04 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Yes that was my post. Sorry.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by assheads
                            Back in the good old days...
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Primordial
                              I'm glad someone brought this up instead of me. For a month I thought about this, since I came back from my vacations TW has lost "skill". I dont understand why but its the truth. There arent as many good squads as there used to be.. I mean even Venom cant be compared to Elusive / Siege.
                              What about TWL season 6 when you had Light / Rampage / Elusive / Shriek(plus Disoblige who took the TWLJ title).

                              I'll just compare:

                              TWL Season 6:
                              - TWLD "hot" squads: Light / Rampage / Elusive / Melee
                              -TWLJ "hot" squads: Rampage / Elusive / Shriek / Disoblige

                              TWL season 7:
                              - TWLD "hot" squads: Pallies / Grapevine / Syndicate / -FINAL-
                              - TWLJ "hot" squads: Pallies / Syndicate / Shriek / -FINAL-

                              TWL season 8 (from what so far)

                              - TWLD "hot" squads: Grapevine / Venom / Sk8 / Pirates
                              - TWLJ "hot" squads: Venom / Dice / Sk8 / Disoblige

                              Plus this season you got these squads like Rusher and Exaile / Showdown that I wont talk about because u never know where they are going to die.

                              After making this I honestly think there is a lack of skill atm. We dont have the good and invencible squads anymore. Maybe its better (more competition), maybe its not (less interest in the game). I hope this really changes until the season starts but if not we'll have a "poor" season, believe me folks.
                              Another point, last season the number of forfeits and squads dissolving mid - TWL was really HIGH..
                              I do think in TWL 8 this number will increase even more.
                              yeah but you do realize that by the time twl season 8 starts, all the shitty squads that have the elite leaders with all there buddies on there squad will end up quitting and for another shriek/light/elusive. Right now, venom is the only real elitist squad, but if you break up a couple of the smaller squads that have no hope to survive, you'll get alot of the players joining again. I do think it's stupid that right now pallies has played around 1/5th of the games that some of the bigger squads have played, but i'm sure everything will pan out by the time leagues approach. I can almost guarantee that as twd comes to an end, you'll see everybody rushing to get online and play.

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