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**Blanke** · 01-10-2005, 01:43 AM

c'est la vie. (is that correct)

**HellzNo!** · 01-10-2005, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by Violence

There are a number of reasons why this system does not work. Rapid(my squad) is ranked 20th in dd, a few weeks ago we were in the top 5. We had a bad streak, and dropped out of twl qualification position. Today my squad had 13 wbs online, basically every wb on the roster. We tried to get a dd for an hour, we couldnt find one squad to dd. Squads like, Water, Syne, Marshmallow Marines, Phantom strikers, lightning strike, and other squads were all to scared to play us, even precious wouldnt dd us, yet they were all looking for dds. We are going to have squads like Marshmallow marines, syne, decennium and others in twld, over a squad like rapid where as if we played im pretty sure we would win 9 times out of 10. What is the point of this? newb squads only dd newb squads and we have nobody left to dd, by the time we do get a dd, all our good wbs have logged off waiting, and we gotta play 2nd stringers vs a top 5 squad and end up losing most of the time, its kind of hard to make up ground. Why should These squads be in twl when there are much much better squads out there.

A system you could use to pick the twl squads are maybe take the last years playoff squads, and the top 5 on the twd ladder, and the rest of the squads could be selected by a commitee of respected players who really know who should be in twld. If Twl is about having the best squads in tw competing against each other this system of selecting based on the top ranked twd squad doesnt make it happen.

so why don't you challenge a GOOD squad then shitface. The reason you don't is because you know you'll lose, but if you can't beat a good squad in twd then you don't deserve to be in leagues anyway, so it works out for the best. And if you CAN beat good squads, you shoulda challenged them instead of naming squads like marshmallow marines.

**SooN** · 01-10-2005, 02:56 AM

Hellz I think what hes trying to say is he wants to play a squad that has points. Why play a leet squad if they have no points and you have a bigger chance of losing? :P

**Violence** · 01-10-2005, 09:40 AM

pretty much every game we play is vs a top squad, and nobody else will ever accept our challenges even when they have enough on so we can rarely find a dd.

**Dabram** · 01-10-2005, 11:31 AM

I have to agree with Violence. I think the TWL ops should look into a squads matchhistory before they let them into TWL. I'd rather see squads like Rapid, Warpath make TWL than squads that have never played anyone tough like Heavy, Syne or Marshmallow Marines.

**Darkmoor** · 01-10-2005, 11:39 AM

The current system is flawed (picking TWL squads straight from the TWD ladders). Just start thinking of a better way. Someone already suggested something like this but I'll take it up again here:

Take the 32 top squads from each division. Arrange them in 8 divisions of 4 squads. Like this: 1st, 2nd, 31st and 32nd in one. Next one would have the 3rd, 4th, 29th and 30th squads and so on until everyone are in one. Then have them play against each other in their division. The 2 best from each division would make it to TWL. The top squads would most likely make it in this way but it could prevent some "unworthy" squads of getting in. This would of course take 3 weeks but it could be pre-season at the same time. Also this system doesn't work with invitations. Something to think.

Anyway it's just an idea, like it or not.

**AcidBomber** · 01-10-2005, 12:02 PM

Yeh Vio got a point there....
happens with RB too, squads like Melee wont play us even tho. they're looking & have enough to BD... <_< really frustrating when that happens.
Squads like DG & Wima play us whenever they have enough even tho. they know they're probably gonna lose 95%.... and we respect those squads.

The TWDivision site's recent update, theres a new column "Rating AVE" or something that tells you what kind of squads (their rating) they play against...

Those squads Vio named wont play them because they know if they lose against you, that could mean they're out of TWL... advice Vio, play for win, when you know you'll qualify, just chill...... and dont go play more & lose...

**Rigor** · 01-10-2005, 01:32 PM

Squads like syne and marshmallow marines are actually being smart in the way that they are playing. First they start of with a small roster, get into a twl qualification. Now people once on twl squads thats died (melee etc) or they got axed because of roster issues join squads like syne, as did i. They are just doing this to get people into their squads that are at twl level and want the experience. So probably by the end of the week, syne and other squads will get players that are at twl and can actually do decent in twl. (by the way there are aliases on the squads so dont get too confident of raping squads like syne etc) It maybe a crappy way of playing but it may work out

**ogron** · 01-10-2005, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Darkmoor

The current system is flawed (picking TWL squads straight from the TWD ladders). Just start thinking of a better way. Someone already suggested something like this but I'll take it up again here:

Take the 32 top squads from each division. Arrange them in 8 divisions of 4 squads. Like this: 1st, 2nd, 31st and 32nd in one. Next one would have the 3rd, 4th, 29th and 30th squads and so on until everyone are in one. Then have them play against each other in their division. The 2 best from each division would make it to TWL. The top squads would most likely make it in this way but it could prevent some "unworthy" squads of getting in. This would of course take 3 weeks but it could be pre-season at the same time. Also this system doesn't work with invitations. Something to think.

Anyway it's just an idea, like it or not.

That was my idea

Instead of taking top 16 from Ladder, take the top 32, and make them play 3 pre-season matches instead of two.

You split them into 8 divisions, 4 teams per division, and they play vs each other in their division once apiece, top 2 of the 4 get into TWL.

I gave an example of what the ladder was at currently, and it gave a more representative TWL list of squads than the current teams. It still rewards squads for doing well in TWD (better rank means easier division), but prevents abuse.

http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=15648

Although why violence can't seem to duplicate what newbies like Marshmellow Marines and Heavy is beyond me.

**Darkmoor** · 01-10-2005, 02:45 PM

Aah, so it was. Didn't bother to look for that thread :P. Only difference there is how you arranged the different squads in the divisions. May be better that way actually.

**pascone** · 01-10-2005, 02:47 PM

syne wont win anything

how can they if they are getting other players from squads that couldnt make it

**ogron** · 01-10-2005, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by pascone

syne wont win anything

how can they if they are getting other players from squads that couldnt make it

people like you?

**pascone** · 01-10-2005, 04:34 PM

is there a reason you keep trying to bash me?

**bloodzombie** · 01-10-2005, 04:56 PM

I tend to agree with vio. I would like to see us go to an invite system that was loosely based on twd rankings. The league ops can put together a panel (keeping the members of the panel secret would be a good idea) of people who really know each league, and have each of them put the squads in order of their worthiness, based on general skill, and their twd ranking.

This would make twd less important than it already is, but maybe we could figure out a way to make it fun, and make people not afraid to play each other.

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