TWLB historical footnote

[Zerzera]

not trying to start a big argument here... but all the 4 spider limit was prove that whoever had the laggiest jav had a much bigger advantage...

1. BNL won
2. BNL had M_M God in javelin
3. M_M God might lag
4. M_M God wasn't the laggiest javelin in BWC

If you have the laggiest players you have the biggest cram advantage too. Nothing as easy as blocking entrance with spiders that don't see half the enemy bullets.

[Cape]

Yea be4 the season i voted for no spid limit, now im wondering if that was the right choice...putting necro in jav would be fun more ppl would whine $$

[za gophar]

Wtf Is This Twld Shit? Everyone Fucking Plays 5 Warbirds And Its Boring As Shit, Lets Go Watch Grass Grow.. Jesus H Christ

[za gophar]

Wtf Is This Twld Shit? Everyone Fucking Plays 5 Warbirds And Its Boring As Shit, Lets Go Watch Grass Grow.. Jesus H Christ

i hate whoever disabled caps lock posts.

[Benno]

OMG ZA GOPHAR THEY DID

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[Kawrae]

Hey, I wouldn't care if they made it a 4 spider limit. My squad could easily plug in Domi or Nockm in jav, two of the best base javs I've seen to play the game.

Works for me either way.

Yah, true

[Jeansi]

Blah blah blahblshbh blabhalha

Of course a variety of ships is more interesting than 5 spiders, but forcing the teams to play a certain lineup is dumb. Leave it the way it is, but tweak the spider. I dunno why no one considers this.

If people voluntarily have five eights of their ships in spider, it must mean it's overpowered, right? :up: stab.

[Galleleo]

Nockm ain't that good anymore in his jav, he is still good don't get me wrong, but he used to be way better.

[Ephemeral]

I dont think its near as bad this season as last season. Last season and the season b4 the cram was so hard to break. A squad would only break it like once or 2 times a match if that. Nowdays im seeing even the bottom squads breaking the cram of the top squads atleast a few times a game. I think it just took time for an attack to develope and squads are finaly gettin there.

Leave the ships as they are (setting wise) but i wouldnt mind a 4 spid limit, doesnt really matter to me. I think in the end it would be the same type of game with a jav or something in there, a lanc is basicly like a spider anyway, all those 5 spid squads would probably just play a lanc.

YES!!!!!!!! I have waited a while to finally be able to agree with Cig. Good points, good logic, good post Cig. See? We DO have common ground.

[Stabwound]

It is easy to say that the staffers should tweak a ship you don't exactly play.

Lately javs in ?go base have started roofing (mainly because nockm showed them it's pretty effective when done right), I was thinking if the map could be modified to make it easier to get to the roof. Open up a hole in mid or something.

I do play spider, and it's easy as shit.

You make absolutely no sense. It is VERY easy to say that the spider should be tweaked. Think about it; there is a REASON why many teams choose to use 5 spiders in a 8 ship lineup. That reason is that they are too overpowered and safe.

[ShadowHand]

Stab at first i thought you were being sarcastic when you said to tweak the spider but now it seems like you are being serious.
Ok, no offense, you're an idiot.

The settings on these ships have worked for how many years now? I have no idea myself, but the point is, these ships have worked fine with very little problems for so many years, why does everything need to be changed now?
Any more "tweaking" with the ship settings (ESPECIALLY the more used ones like spider or jav or something) will just cause more bitching than anyone will want to deal with. Spiders are absolutely fine the way they are, and if you used them often (or don't suck with them - i don't know, i've never seen you play)you wouldn't be whining about them needing change.

[Stabwound]

First of all, I can guarantee that I have more base experience than you do, not only in general but also in SPIDER.

Since you are against tweaking the ships, I can only assume that you are for implementing a spider limit. You think it is a better idea to dictate to players the kinds of lineups they can play? Teams play 5 spiders because it is the SAFE thing to do. A shitty spider player will always be more effective than a shitty warbird or jav player. Anyone can spider sufficiently with a bit of practice, especially with the advent of the cram flagroom defense. Why are there 8 fucking ships yet only 3 are regularly used in basing? Tweak either the spiders or the other ships so that teams might actually want to use them.

[Awesome]

dont touch the jav, its the only ship in tw that is fine the way it is.

[Miku19]

I do play spider, and it's easy as shit.

You make absolutely no sense. It is VERY easy to say that the spider should be tweaked. Think about it; there is a REASON why many teams choose to use 5 spiders in a 8 ship lineup. That reason is that they are too overpowered and safe.

You haven't played a single TWL match in spider this season.

And obviously, I don't make sense if you don't even try to find the sense in my posts.

Cramming has gone to the point of everyone pretty much camping in the cram = less pushing -> less kills -> the other team gets closer -> more camping in the cram = less pushing.
That's what I meant with spids getting less kills -> weaker crams.

[Pure_Luck]

It is pretty obvious that the spider is overpowered. But the way to fix this isn't so obvious.