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[Sumpson]

He meant paradox in the literary sense. For a definition: One exhibiting inexplicable or contradictory aspects.

And sumpson, your argument is in no way grounded, i'm sorry. You keep saying "To have squads being most competitive they can be," or something to that extent. And the only reason for having this feeling would be that you are overlooking the meaning behind a 4 spider limit. Every squad would have one, not just yours. Thus, the playing field is still equal, and every squad is equally as competitive.

And to say that you are so "comfortable with these limits that you consider them to be part of 'basing'" is completly ass-backwards. These limits were not always in place, you used to be able to play with 2 terr's in ?go base, and for a while you were not able to use a cloaker there. (Granted ?go base doesn't really constitute TWLB, but it's still the primary aspect of the basing community.) And after a season or two of a 4 spider limit, the limit would become indistinguishable in regard to the other's.

The point is, a 4 spider limit would allow for a more competitive TWLB season. A 4 spider limit would add some panash to the basing scene (and hopefully re-boost interest.) A 4 spider limit would be another limit that would evenutally assimilate into the realm of "just another limit." And, the most important one for you, Sumpson, a 4 spider limit would not give ANY squad a competitive edge.

Nethi, i'm calling you our like whoa, re-make a poll on the issue. Because as far as I can see, the majority is in favor of imposing a limit.


Edit: I see the old poll is still up, i'd still prefer a fresh one though. One where only players participating in past TWL seasons would be able to vote. (I know it's not possible, but sorry.)

Edit #2: Sumpson, my squad plays at it's best level with 4 sharks, 2 terrs, and 2 levi's, should I be entitled to this lineup?

I'm dutch and don't know the literal meaning of Paradox, neither do I understand the words "exhibiting inexplicable or contradictory", I dont think it matters much tho.

I was saying with no 4 spider limit, all squads are able to play at their best level. You can not denie this and I believe this is a well grounded argument.

Playing with 1 terrier and 2 sharks is common sence, its normal, no one feels limited because of this while many would feel limited when having to put in 4 spiders and can not add another spider instead.

Competitive means a league with a high level of skill to me, if basing is played best with 5 spiders it should remain that way. If you believe if it's not best, no one is holding you for adding another jav or so.

The question in your second Edit is stupid, you have never played with this line up which is the answer to your question.

Doesnt feel like I'm adding much more to this discussion, I can repeat what I sayd before in reply of the arguments brought up.

You know how I think about this now and Im glad league is played the way its gonna be. There's not much reason for me to continue posting.

[Jones]

im on sumpsons side on this one, even if you are able to play with 1 jav now and 4 spiders people still play with 5 spiders because its better thus more competitive.

[Vehicle]

I'm dutch and don't know the literal meaning of Paradox, neither do I understand the words "exhibiting inexplicable or contradictory", I dont think it matters much tho.

I was saying with no 4 spider limit, all squads are able to play at their best level. You can not denie this and I believe this is a well grounded argument.

Playing with 1 terrier and 2 sharks is common sence, its normal, no one feels limited because of this while many would feel limited when having to put in 4 spiders and can not add another spider instead.

Competitive means a league with a high level of skill to me, if basing is played best with 5 spiders it should remain that way. If you believe if it's not best, no one is holding you for adding another jav or so.

The question in your second Edit is stupid, you have never played with this line up which is the answer to your question.

Doesnt feel like I'm adding much more to this discussion, I can repeat what I sayd before in reply of the arguments brought up.

You know how I think about this now and Im glad league is played the way its gonna be. There's not much reason for me to continue posting.

Your right Sumpson, you're not making any new arguments your just regurgitating (re-saying) the same non-sensical (not making sense) garbage that you've posted over and over.

Why is it common sense to play with 1 terrier and 2 sharks? Hmm, I don't know ... Oh yea, because those are the limits in place. The LIMITS, sumpson, there are limits in place. It's clear that any squad would play better with 3 sharks, but because there is a LIMIT keeping said squads from doing so, they can't. Why not be the exact same way with spiders? A 4 spider limit allows teams to play their best lineup WITHIN THE LIMITS. Your argument has no base, it makes no sense, and it's very very very bias.

[Zerzera]

paradox is a Dutch word too.


U hebt gezocht op paradox:

RESULTAAT (maximaal 20 woorden)

pa·ra·dox (de ~ (m.), ~en)
1 schijnbare tegenspraak [bv. het geluid van de stilte, vele eersten zullen de laatsten zijn]

pa·ra·doxaal (bn.)
1 schijnbaar tegenstrijdig

pa·ra·doxie (de ~ (v.))
1 het paradox zijn => tegenstrijdigheid


You say that competativity is only reached when squads play the strongest lineup possible, but you still hold onto the current limits.
It's nearly impossible to balance all the ships in such a manner that all ships are a good option, that is why the limit should be imposed for the spider too.
It's obvious that when you compare all ships the spider is the most powerful ship, and that's a valid reason to limit it.
The other option would be a continuously testing and adjusting the other ships to adjust them to the point where they are all fully competative on the highest level of basing.
We all know this is impossible because the sysops of this zone want the ships to have the same settings everywhere. So if you would make the javelin recharge faster for instance, TWLJ would be ruined.

So there is a reason to change the current situation, but there only seems one solution to get a result, and that is to limit the ships rather than balancing them.

[Eggs R Evil]

I think lots of squads feel limited to using 5 spids atm just because its considered to be most effective. Looking at it that way, you can almost say you're replacing a limit, not adding one :P.

There might be a chance that we'll see some javs even without the spid limit. At least if a few shipchanges are allowed now. They're allowed right? I never checked, or I forgot, just because I assumed they're allowed because I see no reason not to allow them <_<.

[Zerzera]

That is a very good way of putting it!

[Elbryan]

i dont do basing much really but i understand the point(s) ppl are making. 4 spid limit would be better cause it would make basing more interesting. its as simple as that. sumpson saying the common sense thingys and all =P but they dont really make sense. youre just ignoring the arguments ppl come up and keep on saying the same thing that doesnt even make sense over and over again... the limits there are so far are made to make basing more interesting. 4 spid limit would be just another of these limits... or as zerzera said just moving the limit a bit (or something like that). =P i see your points sump but it doesnt make sense... in other words there is no point. =P

[CrvenBan]

Besides the fact that alot of the pro-5-spid people are just wusses that don't dare to play anything else, don't you see how dull and one-sided basing got ?

sharks that ONLY rep and die
5 spids
1 terr

wtf ? You are telling me that that's all ? This cramming shit has destroyed the role of shark for one, which if used properly is a havoc machine, and there is only one other ship that is currently being played, spider.

Alot of this is because caps are scared of losing or don't know how to play anything else, and everyone is just lulled into their cram-security and don't want to try anything else. Where the hell is your passion and creativity ?
So what if 4 spid limit is implemented, you still have lanc to fill up the last spid spot which brings it to same pretty much (actually it is better, since lances are wicked badass), there are no proper base wbs around, and just a handful javs. Bring in the weasels too, little ones, but make it a rule that once you pick it, you can't do a shipchange for it. Levi ? Hell yes!

The sad thing is that all these new people who are playing now don't know shit about anything else but cramming, ie in ?go base, I tell my fellow shark that Im mining, and ask him: high or low ? and he goes, huh ? (sadly it's a twl squad's shark)
Did you know that spids in base will CRAM even if there are 4 mines at entrance ?

3 main ships played at the base today have been dumbed down to ridicilous levels: terr; except brook and some older, rusty terrs there is not a single good terr in the game, and by good I mean, movement, positioning, attacking, defending, not dying (Cape is good too, but he also cheats, so...), every other terr just sits on the fucking wall and waits there to die as cram gets broken.
Spiders, there is still fair ammount of good spids in the game today, but exceptional ones ? You know, the ones that will go in lower and stay there and be really hard to kill, cuz they, dodge...not that many.
Shark is the worst, total destruction of the good basing ship because of cram, and the people who still play shark, they think they're good but only few of those actually played when you had to use your brains in order to be good shark.

The only ship that had positive development is a jav, finding new ways to attack/defend, and that is the direction basing should go in. The only way to do that is loosening up this concrete-abbomination called cram that the evolution of a cancer-sick map spawned.


Limit the spids to 4
Add pub weasel into the game
Remove x-radar from javs, let lances green it
Introduce home-away system into games; if selected as home team you get the chance to see other teams lineup first, and then match it up.



(I need something for the flu, I havent written this much shit in years)

[Jeansi]

Haven't really read most of the replies about the 4-spider limit, but I'd like to point out that perhaps the easiest way of making the javelin a very very good investment would be limiting the number of sharks to 1.

Now I'm not saying that I want that to happen, because it would take out the only hard part about playing a shark: proper, seamless teaming. It would make my last 3 years of playing experience and crush it just like that.

But I sure as hell would like it if there was a way to start ?go base games with different parameters that would allow limiting ships just as the game starter choses to. Would also make testing of new systems a lot easier.

[pascone]

we tried a line agianst sk8 in twbd and they almost cried

[Galleleo]

is P_L still in charge of twl? ifso, that might explain alot, seeing as cramming and 5 spids is the only thing spastilag knows.

[Eggs R Evil]

Hehe I mentioned the idea of a 1 shark limit once. It'd probably end up in crazy games though which would be fun for a while but might get boring too. Especially if u cant ever keep the nme out of fr for longer than a minute. Although defending with 2 javs might not be so bad if the nme has 1 shark which has to use all reps on your 3 spids.

I'd say games would have to get less crazy when ppl get used to it. And it definitely wouldn't make sharking (or any other ship) less skillful. But then I don't agree that timing with your other shark is the hardest part of sharking.

But eh yeah it's way too big a change to basing anyway, just funny to fantasize about. I might start some 1 shark max games in ?go base and make sure the person that gets the other cap promises me to only use 1 shark first :greedy:. Unless everyone starts yelling at me.

[Barton]

we tried a line agianst sk8 in twbd and they almost cried

true, it was funny how long Ease cried so long about our lineup.

[Sufficient]

I think if you're looking for a more radical change ... we should move away from the shark mentality of dying right after all the reps are used to a mentality of staying alive as long as possible and absorbing/being the shield for teammates.

That would mean giving sharks more energy, perhaps making the mines disappear in 30 secs (adds the possibility of aggressive mining/remining).

To me, no player/ship should be purposely be trying to die just to regain specials.

[Zerzera]

You can't change the ships. You can't just balance them for base because they are used in other leagues/events/pub.