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[Sufficient]

Looks good but I kind of agree with Refer. What's to stop people from hopping to Dice for LB, Synd for LJ, and -F- for LD (or something). Seems like it would hurt rather than help competition.

All up to the squads how much they enforce their players to stay on for multiple leagues.

Remember there will always be hoppers ... but it's the squads that allow them to hop. Squads who want stable members across multiple leagues should take that into account when recruiting. I guess suggestion 1) does give more flexibility to individual players as well as put more burden on squads to recruit well.

[Dabram]

I dislike this idea, i've been playing since season 2 i think and simply need my +/- half-a-year break to get motivated again to play TWL. this can make us lose A LOT of old players/squads, which is the last thing we need imo.

[Izor]

yeah, no one wants to play this game year round imo.

[Sufficient]

I dislike this idea, i've been playing since season 2 i think and simply need my +/- half-a-year break to get motivated again to play TWL. this can make us lose A LOT of old players/squads, which is the last thing we need imo.

Ppl who don't play ... I wouldn't mind losing those ppl. Explain how this will lose players.

And note that very few ppl start for their squad in multiple leagues.

[Sufficient]

yeah, no one wants to play this game year round imo.

You don't base or jav ... what are you talking about? You only play wb ... so it really doesn't affect you.

[Reaver]

Some good ideas there, but I do have to admit that I really dont like the idea about splitting each league up, time wise. There are alot of reasons why not to do this, and only a few reasons to do it.
To increase competition in TWL, reduce it to only 12 squads qualify for each TWL area. Also, the only squads that are automatically invited back to TWL are the squads that were in the finals. So that means every season 2 are invited back per league, which means that the other 10 spots are based on qualification. If competition becomes more fierce when qualifying for leagues, then competition during the leagues will be better. Let's try the least drastic, most effective changes first guys.

[Nethila]

i like the ideas.. but some of them are not doable.. not when you want all of them at the same time.

One conference is always the major concern. but this will not be doable if you want to seperate the 3 leagues and do them seperately and have them all happen in the same year. Even if you reduce the # of squads in twl to 14. 13 regular season week + 1 replay week + 3 playoffs week = 4 months+.. and having twl every week non-stop (even if they are diff division) will really kill the whole meaning of TWL being THE special league of trenchwars.

[Sufficient]

i like the ideas.. but some of them are not doable.. not when you want all of them at the same time.

One conference is always the major concern. but this will not be doable if you want to seperate the 3 leagues and do them seperately and have them all happen in the same year. Even if you reduce the # of squads in twl to 14. 13 regular season week + 1 replay week + 3 playoffs week = 4 months+.. and having twl every week non-stop (even if they are diff division) will really kill the whole meaning of TWL being THE special league of trenchwars.

One of the benefits of doing the leagues seperately is the potential for each squad to play 2 games per week. With even 16 teams (15 games if each team plays each other once) ... reg season is done in 2 months.

I really don't expect all or even the majority of the suggestions to be implemented. My biggest push though is for the leagues to run seperately. That solves your lag problem (lag seems good nowadays tho), solves your scheduling problem, and creates a bigger excitement and emphasis on a particular league which will hopefully lead to more active competition.

If you really want to, keep everything else the same .... 2 conferences, 16 teams etc. With the seperate leagues you can even up the squads to 18 or 20 bc the schedule will be freed up. Go crazy with 3 conferences if you want.

[Sufficient]

Some good ideas there, but I do have to admit that I really dont like the idea about splitting each league up, time wise. There are alot of reasons why not to do this, and only a few reasons to do it.
To increase competition in TWL, reduce it to only 12 squads qualify for each TWL area. Also, the only squads that are automatically invited back to TWL are the squads that were in the finals. So that means every season 2 are invited back per league, which means that the other 10 spots are based on qualification. If competition becomes more fierce when qualifying for leagues, then competition during the leagues will be better. Let's try the least drastic, most effective changes first guys.

I would like to you to state some reasons why seperating leagues would be bad.

The only reason I've heard so far is the 2-leaguers and 3-leaguers (few which actually start all 2 or 3 TWL games for their squad) who complain of having to play all year. [I bet there are less than 10 players who start for their team in 2 or 3 leagues.] Weren't ppl complaining that TWL needs to be more often? In this way, it'll seem like it's more often even though it's still once a year.

Note that the current state of TWL is that it's played once a year. Implementing the seperate leagues doesn't change that fact.

[Sufficient]

Another seperate point. Why are time slots 1 hr? Games never last more than 30 min I thought. Shouldn't time slots be 30 min? Assuming refs enforce strict starting times this'll appease the Euros and ppl who have been complaining about scheduling.

Isn't dd and jd capped at some time limit?

[Asmodeus]

I would like to you to state some reasons why seperating leagues would be bad.

The only reason I've heard so far is the 2-leaguers and 3-leaguers (few which actually start all 2 or 3 TWL games for their squad) who complain of having to play all year. [I bet there are less than 10 players who start for their team in 2 or 3 leagues.] Weren't ppl complaining that TWL needs to be more often? In this way, it'll seem like it's more often even though it's still once a year.

Note that the current state of TWL is that it's played once a year. Implementing the seperate leagues doesn't change that fact.

Yes, but your system is being spanned over the year, while the current system is "all at once." I agree with Neth as far as TWL wouldn't be as special. It'd feel more like TWD, which is year round now.

[Reaver]

I would like to you to state some reasons why seperating leagues would be bad.

The only reason I've heard so far is the 2-leaguers and 3-leaguers (few which actually start all 2 or 3 TWL games for their squad) who complain of having to play all year. [I bet there are less than 10 players who start for their team in 2 or 3 leagues.] Weren't ppl complaining that TWL needs to be more often? In this way, it'll seem like it's more often even though it's still once a year.

Note that the current state of TWL is that it's played once a year. Implementing the seperate leagues doesn't change that fact.

• First off, I believe your estimate of less than 10 players being starters in 2-3 leagues for their squad is incorrect. I dont want to say a number, I'll just say that it's more than 10. On top of that, what if people want to actually watch the games even though they arent playing. Then they do have to log on all year round.
• Basically nothing will be hosted on sundays, almost year round, but fewer TWL matches will be going on. Or arenas will be hosted and it will take away from TWL.
• Squads will have players leaving a squad to join another to play in a certain league. Unless you put some sort of roster lock in, but even with that, it's going to be a pain for the players.
• It might seem like TWL is year round for 3 league squads, but it wont for 1 league squads.

There are other things, but the whole sense of things being less about TWL and more about a specific league on one day of the week with only a few matches makes me already less interested in it.

[Asmodeus]

Another seperate point. Why are time slots 1 hr? Games never last more than 30 min I thought. Shouldn't time slots be 30 min? Assuming refs enforce strict starting times this'll appease the Euros and ppl who have been complaining about scheduling.

Isn't dd and jd capped at some time limit?

With the time limit of setting up rosters, I don't think it'd be a good idea to have matches every 30 mins. Adding players in TWLB matches can take up to 9 mins (7 mins if both have enough, 9 if one doesn't have enough and the 2 min extension is asked for) and with both squads needing 15 mins of flag time, the whole match could take, at most, ~39 mins to be over and done with. This, of course, is assuming the Ref started the lineup picking exactly on the hr or half hr. Now the likelihood of a match taking this long isn't all that grand, but the possibility is still there.

[Sufficient]

Yes, but your system is being spanned over the year, while the current system is "all at once." I agree with Neth as far as TWL wouldn't be as special. It'd feel more like TWD, which is year round now.

There would be 1 month break btwn each 3 month league.

[Sufficient]

• First off, I believe your estimate of less than 10 players being starters in 2-3 leagues for their squad is incorrect. I dont want to say a number, I'll just say that it's more than 10. On top of that, what if people want to actually watch the games even though they arent playing. Then they do have to log on all year round.
• Basically nothing will be hosted on sundays, almost year round, but fewer TWL matches will be going on. Or arenas will be hosted and it will take away from TWL.
• Squads will have players leaving a squad to join another to play in a certain league. Unless you put some sort of roster lock in, but even with that, it's going to be a pain for the players.
• It might seem like TWL is year round for 3 league squads, but it wont for 1 league squads.

There are other things, but the whole sense of things being less about TWL and more about a specific league on one day of the week with only a few matches makes me already less interested in it.

1) I agree, my estimate is probably too low. There are currently 8 three league squads Diso Ancient Shinobi Synd Dice Pirates -F- Sk8. Also several multiple two league squads. Maybe the estimate should be more like 50.

2) About the fact of ppl wanting to watch other games. If we have them seperately ppl have the opportunity to watch more games. Simultaneous leagues that cram games in time slots is already like this. I think this particular point is moot. And yes, they would have to log in 9 months out of 12 to watch games. I really don't think ppl purposely come to watch games that much (who watches 5 TWL games each Sunday? ... maybe 2 or 3, but not more than that). It's really a minor point you bring up. There's prob even more opportunity to watch games with the 3 leagues seperated.

Like I said, 3 months each league with 1 month break. There is plenty of time for events to be hosted. Remember, there's more flexibility in time slots when we only have 1 league to worry about each Sunday. Ops can decide to have a narrower time slot for TWL if they wish bc less games will have to be played. Maybe it'll only be 1-4 PM EST instead of the range it is currently.

3) Like I said before also ... roster lock is exactly the same as it was before. Yes ppl will hop btwn leagues. You can view it as being bad. Or you can view it as giving players more flexibility. Squads would have a greater responsibility to attract members to stay for multiple leagues.

4) TWL is already once a year. It's the same with my suggestion. This is strange to talk about becuase on one side we have ppl who want TWL to run several times a year. Then we have ppl who say TWL needs to be "special" so we should only do it once a year. My suggestion is in some ways a middle ground. TWL does run pretty continously, but it's still once a year for each league. Reminder that there are 1 month breaks btwn each league.

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I think that having leagues seperate would allow ppl to concentrate on the particular league that is active and thus bring about better competition. No worries of practicing for 3 leagues at the same time.