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[Asmodeus]

Yes it's early. Yes TWL is not over. Here are my collective suggestions for an even better TWL next season:

Some are kinda minor, but I think it'll be great if at least 1) is implemented.

1) do TWLD TWLJ and TWLB seperately (3 months each with 1 month break in btwn)
- each league gets special spotlight
- easier scheduling
- possibility of each squad playing 2 games a week (this is huge in my opinion)
- less server lag -> better and more fair competition

Already went over this in a previous post above.

2) reduce the number of squads in each TWL division to 14
- there is not enough competition to support 16 squads
- there's always twd to play if you don't make twl
- this allows for 3) below
- twd is emphasized even more now that there are only 14 squads in each league ... maybe more activity and better competition in twd

Aside from stacked squads, I don't really see competition as a problem. Reaver's idea of having only the Finalists being invited back would be better for inducing competition. This way those that even made the playoffs but not the finals would have to compete again next TWD season for their spot in whichever league.

3) have each squad play every squad once (13 games in a regular season assuming there are 14 squads per league)
- less whining from ppl who say they have tougher cross-conference opponents
- see all the advantages in 4)
4) have only 1 conference with all 14 or 16 squads (depending on 2))
- easier than 2 conferences to choose playoff hopefuls (just take top 8)
- easier to see head-to-head (just easier to compare squads in general)
- less whining from ppl who think they're in the tougher conference

These two ideas aren't bad at all. I'm indifferent, if you will, as far as scheduling and opponents go.

5) reduce max TWL roster size (assuming you implement 1)) to 25 or less
- TWL needs active participants
- less stacked teams
- who cares about the inactive ppl who play 1 game a season ... they don't contribute much to TW/TWL ... let them leave the game if they even can
- the above ppl can still play TWD, just not TWL, they're not wanted unless they play TWL matches and contribute to their team
- assuming you implement 1) ... you can even lower the max roster to 15 for TWLD and TWLJ, and 24 for TWLB -> there is now no excuse that "I'm a 3 league squad so I need 50 players on my roster"

I don't think the roster size needs to be decreased. 35 is small enough as it is. As far as competition goes, read my comment regarding suggestion number 2.

6) make TWL website as good as TWD's website (minor point)
- matching websites just looks and feels good

I'm not complaining about the TWL site or TWD site.... I think they're fine the way they are.

[Asmodeus]

There would be 1 month break btwn each 3 month league.

It's still spanning the year, as opposed to the current system where TWL lasts for about 3 and a half months and the wait for the next season is about 9 months or however long it is.

[Sufficient]

With the time limit of setting up rosters, I don't think it'd be a good idea to have matches every 30 mins. Adding players in TWLB matches can take up to 9 mins (7 mins if both have enough, 9 if one doesn't have enough and the 2 min extension is asked for) and with both squads needing 15 mins of flag time, the whole match could take, at most, ~39 mins to be over and done with. This, of course, is assuming the Ref started the lineup picking exactly on the hr or half hr. Now the likelihood of a match taking this long isn't all that grand, but the possibility is still there.

Then perhaps we should make the time slots 45 mins? Ppl are complaining about scheduling. I think narrowing the time slots to something smaller would help.

And all it takes is for refs to be a bit more stringent as to starting times of the matches. How many mins do caps get to give the lineup? 5? 10?

Edit: Nm ... you sorta mention it above.

[Sufficient]

It's still spanning the year, as opposed to the current system where TWL lasts for about 3 and a half months and the wait for the next season is about 9 months or however long it is.

Like I said. There are ppl who want TWL to happen multiple times. There are ppl who want it to be "special" and only happen once. My suggestion is a hybrid of both.

[Sufficient]

Here's a different approach.

TWLD and TWLJ run at the same time. TWLB runs at a different time of the year. Basically group the similar leagues together. There would be the same/similar scheduling benefits that I mentioned.

[Asmodeus]

Then perhaps we should make the time slots 45 mins? Ppl are complaining about scheduling. I think narrowing the time slots to something smaller would help.

And all it takes is for refs to be a bit more stringent as to starting times of the matches. How many mins do caps get to give the lineup? 5? 10?

When the Ref starts the picking, they have 7 mins in TWLB, and I believe 5 in TWLD/TWLJ to add their players before time runs out and the actual match begins. (I guess I wasn't clear enough in that reply.) Moreover, it could take up to 5 mins before the Ref actually starts the picking; it may very well take 44 mins for the whole match to be over and done with. So with the time slots being every 45 mins rather than 1 hr wouldn't be all too bad.... Dunno how practical reducing the time slots by 15 mins would be though.

[Sufficient]

When the Ref starts the picking, they have 7 mins in TWLB, and I believe 5 in TWLD/TWLJ to add their players before time runs out and the actual match begins. (I guess I wasn't clear enough in that reply.) Moreover, it could take up to 5 mins before the Ref actually starts the picking; it may very well take 44 mins for the whole match to be over and done with. So with the time slots being every 45 mins rather than 1 hr wouldn't be all too bad.... Dunno how practical reducing the time slots by 15 mins would be though.

Ok ... I guess you're right. But how about TWLD and TWLJ? What's the max amt of time those take? If we can't narrow the time slots for TWLB ... that doesn't mean we can't do it for the other 2 leagues.

[Asmodeus]

Ok ... I guess you're right. But how about TWLD and TWLJ? What's the max amt of time those take? If we can't narrow the time slots for TWLB ... that doesn't mean we can't do it for the other 2 leagues.

I honestly can't remember the time limit in LD/LJ. Adding the lineup is 5 mins (7 if a squad doesn't have enough and they ask for the 2 min extension). I'd think the matches would be either 20 mins or 30 mins long before time runs out and a squad is declared the winner. So probably 27/37 mins max if the Ref were to start on the hr or half hr. Maybe even 32/42 mins if the Ref took 5 mins to start the picking.

[Nickname]

I still say this is a ridiculous idea because if I play two out of three leagues, that means i'm forced to do nothing while you play the third, even throw in the extra time from the end of the 2nd to the begining of the third, and the end of the third to the begining of the 1st again.

What if it's even worse, and I only play 1 league? I get to have leagues 2 or 3 months out of the year? How fucked up is that? I don't understand why you're trying to punish people that play only 1 league, or the squads that play all 3.

[Rab]

I completely agree with all the points, they are things i've said before.

[Kawrae]

The suggestion #1 sucks really bad. Guess what all the squadhoppers would do in that case. Like someone said in another thread. "Squadhoppers wet dream". Plus, believe it or not.. i'm not planning to use whole next year to play this game, but i still would like to play TWL. If your suggestion happens, I'd prolly pick only one league that i play and i sure would like to play more than just one league (eventho i play only one league at this point anyway)

[End]

Id like to see this happen

[Golden_Aim]

[QUOTE=Sufficient]
2) reduce the number of squads in each TWL division to 14
- there is not enough competition to support 16 squads
- there's always twd to play if you don't make twl
- this allows for 3) below
- twd is emphasized even more now that there are only 14 squads in each league ... maybe more activity and better competition in twd

more like 12 squads, there are like 4 "0-4" squads in each league conference, just get those sucky squads out and u'll get more competition

[Kawrae]

Yeah, G_A.. but he also mentioned about roster limits which would mean that more good players are on the move. Dunno.

[Sufficient]

I still say this is a ridiculous idea because if I play two out of three leagues, that means i'm forced to do nothing while you play the third, even throw in the extra time from the end of the 2nd to the begining of the third, and the end of the third to the begining of the 1st again.

What if it's even worse, and I only play 1 league? I get to have leagues 2 or 3 months out of the year? How fucked up is that? I don't understand why you're trying to punish people that play only 1 league, or the squads that play all 3.

I don't get it. NN, TWL is only played once a year in it's current state. What's so different about my suggestion? It's still played once a year. So you talk about only playing 3 months out of the whole year ... well that's what the current setup does! The same gripe you make applies to the current setup!

Also NN, like i said before. There are ppl who want TWL to be "special" and only happen once a year. I assume you are part of this group? However, there are also a good number of ppl who want TWL to happen multiple times a year. My suggestion is a middle ground. TWL still happens only once a year, but spread out throughout that year.