Why appeal should not be upheld paragraph 3 and below

[Bill C]

No way in hell should an appeal be considered, the decision was made and both teams played a fair match. Me and PJ who played the final round which I had 11-7 and PJ got 13-7 are both not showing this weekend. Yah I know thats our problem but we played this past weekend and won and planning to not show against Boz and the backups handle it.

My question is why the fuck was an appeal considered. A decision was made by the staff to play on and that should be it. THE ONLY REASON THEY APPEALED IS BECAUSE THEY LOST. They played the same lineup ALL 3 ROUNDS. He didn't want to play the last round because he was scared to do so and he found a loophole to get out of it. Funny how he found that rule 1 min after the bot crashed. If they really needed to go they would have but 20 mins later they played and lost.

4.02 In the event that all technical difficulties are resolved within 30 minutes before the next time slot, the match will be played immediatly.
- If server/bot crashes during a game, 2 scenarios:
1) If the server/bot crashes within the 30mins of the starting time (IE 3pm est), host will get another bot and restart the game immediately.
2) If the server/bot crashes after the 30min mark, the game can be restarted if time allows and both captain agrees, if not, the game will be played in the replay week.

THESE ARE THE RULES AND THEY WERE NOT BROKEN.

The timeslot was at 4pm, is a 3rd round suppose to start at 4:30 I think not. Rounds are given a timeframe of 30 mins. That means a squad should prepare to start a round 3 at 5pm maximum. See below.
9.11 Each game will consist of one 30 minute round, and each player will be given a maximum of 10 deaths. In Javelin games, teamkills do count as deaths. The Squad with the least deaths at the end of 30 minutes will be declared the winner.

Round 1 started at 4:30 because it also crashed midway. Then Round 2 started at 4:52pm and ran smoothly. It ended approximately 5:15. If it went the maximum 30 mins it could have ended at 5:22. That means round 3 had to start at 5:45pm or even 5:52pm. It started at 5:42pm. 1) If the server/bot crashes within the 30mins of the starting time (IE 3pm est), host will get another bot and restart the game immediately. Option 2 which Disq used to appeal could not be in use. 2) If the server/bot crashes after the 30min mark, the game can be restarted if time allows and both captain agrees, if not, the game will be played in the replay week.

So in conclusion the appeal should not be upheld because there was no grounds for one. I know this will be ignored and thats because staff doesn't want to reverse the appeal. I never had anything to say bad about staff but you guys really fucked up this time. You really should take my FACTS into consideration and reverse the appeal.

[Zingy]

The game slot was 4:00pm, meaning the entire game should have been done by 5:30pm if every round was pushed to 30 minutes. I believe the next time-slot was at 5:30pm.

Also keep in mind most games do not start right on the dot, and that adding lineups also takes time, so this will also affect the interpretation.

The bot crashes pushed the starting time of round 3 to 5:42 (going by your numbers).

If round 3 started at 5:42 and took the full 30 minutes it would have been over by 6:12pm -- whereas the game should have been done by 5:30pm had the crashes not occured.

So basically, the game started at 5:42 as opposed to 5:00 - which is a difference of 42 minutes. 42 min > 30 min.

I may or may not be wrong with how I approached interpretending the rules that came into play, we need to keep in mind each round counts as a seperate game.

[Mr. Masterful]

Hm Bill C has a point

Look at the rule:
2) If the server/bot crashes after the 30min mark, the game can be restarted if time allows and both captain agrees, if not, the game will be played in the replay week.

Disqualifier kinda agreed with a replay at that time cus he added 5 players.
I know Disqualifier was scared that staff would screw him over, but the rules dont say he can play the game and appeal after :/

So I take back what I said before, this game should not be replayed

[Zingy]

Hm Bill C has a point

Look at the rule:
2) If the server/bot crashes after the 30min mark, the game can be restarted if time allows and both captain agrees, if not, the game will be played in the replay week.

Disqualifier kinda agreed with a replay at that time cus he added 5 players.
I know Disqualifier was scared that staff would screw him over, but the rules dont say he can play the game and appeal after :/

So I take back what I said before, this game should not be replayed

Going by this logic, then wouldn't NOT adding players be interpreted as him accepting defeat? For all intents and purposes, the bot/host would then have declared Pirates the automatic winners.

He probably added players because he knew the staff had made an improper decision, and he didn't want to be completely screwed if an appeal didn't go through.

Just because he added players doesn't change the fact that a round 3 took place which shouldn't have.

[Bill C]

The bot crashes pushed the starting time of round 3 to 5:42 (going by your numbers).

If round 3 started at 5:42 and took the full 30 minutes it would have been over by 6:12pm -- whereas the game should have been done by 5:30pm had the crashes not occured.

Wow thanks you bring up another great point. Round 2 ended approximately as I said before 5:15 give or take a few minutes, the scores only show start time btw. It could have ended sooner but round 1 had a bot crash also. That being said THE ORIGINAL ROUND 3 started at about 5:20 giving time to add and ready. NOTE DISQUALIFIER HAD NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT STARTING AT 5:20. After 5-10 mins it crashed again. 5:25 pm approximately, THEN DISQ SAYS HE WANTS A REPLAY AND BRINGS UP THE RULE. He was denied and onlY 17 mins later we played the final round 3 and won. It could have started sooner if he did not bring up the argument.
HOW DOES HE HAVE A RIGHT TO APPEAL?????????

If everything went perfectly yes round 3 should have started no later then 5:00 pm. It started at 5:15 even with a round 1 crash. Round 3 crashed around 5:25pm and could have started at 5:30. Way before the 30 minute time frame. Is 30 mins late reasonable? Yes considering people have to wait another week for replays. Lovely.

[Zingy]

That being said THE ORIGINAL ROUND 3 started at about 5:20 giving time to add and ready. NOTE DISQUALIFIER HAD NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT STARTING AT 5:20. After 5-10 mins it crashed again. 5:25 pm approximately, THEN DISQ SAYS HE WANTS A REPLAY AND BRINGS UP THE RULE. He was denied and onlY 17 mins later we played the final round 3 and won. It could have started sooner if he did not bring up the argument.
HOW DOES HE HAVE A RIGHT TO APPEAL?????????

I don't think it matters when the original round 3 started, what matters is what time it was scheduled to start.

If it was scheduled to start at 5:00pm, and the original started at 5:20, then the round 3 replay started anytime 30 minutes after 5:00pm, that's all it takes for disq's appeal to be justified.

(I'm not taking sides, just looking strictly at the rules.)

Also, the replay does not push things back by a week; the replays will be played this week, and according to who wins in each the rest of the games this week will go based on that. So that's not really one of the main issues.

[Bill C]

If it was scheduled to start at 5:00pm, and the original started at 5:20, then the round 3 replay started anytime 30 minutes after 5:00pm, that's all it takes for disq's appeal to be justified.

The game was 14-4 when bot died. That takes what 5-10 mins? Round could have been restarted at 5:25-5:30. It didn't because Disq delayed it. He can't appeal.

Also round 1 didn't start till 4:30pm. Since we lost and the original time was slotted at 4:00 pm I would like that round to be replayed. So we should be up 1-0 now.

Lets bend the rules and be pricks so we can have a replay week. They should stop crying and accept the lost cause they lost 2-1.

[Zingy]

Also round 1 didn't start till 4:30pm. Since we lost and the original time was slotted at 4:00 pm I would like that round to be replayed. So we should be up 1-0 now.

I know this response is going to piss you off, but i'm going to post it anyways:

1) If the server/bot crashes within the 30mins of the starting time (IE 3pm est), host will get another bot and restart the game immediately.

Within 30 minutes.

4:30pm is within 30 minutes of 4:00pm.

I'll go hide now because I know your response to this won't be pleasant one

[Bill C]

within is 29 or before right?

You didn't answer to the fact the round 3 replay could have started at 5:25 or 5:30 but disq delayed it. It started at 5:42 because it was his fault. I'll make sure replay week we delay till 4:31 and if we lose we appeal ok?

[pascone]

games dont start right after the previous one ends

games also allow for 5 minutes to arrange lineups, sometimes 7 if the extra 2 minutes is granted

we're looking at an extra 15-21 minutes

[Bill C]

Yes but thats why 30 mins is given. Or I assume. During regular season 30 min games were slotted for 1 hour. 1 pm 2 pm 3 pm. I know this sounds ridiculous but during regular season a team is given 1 hour to play a round before the next. If thats the case round 3 didn't have to start till 6pm. Think about it. Ridiculous but its true.

If you follow the regular season matches 1 round of ld 1-2pm, 1 round of lj 2-3pm and another twlb game at 3-4pm.

Yah its ridiculous but its true.

[Zingy]

within is 29 or before right?

Ok i'll give you a better example, here are both of the rules:

1) If the server/bot crashes within the 30mins of the starting time (IE 3pm est), host will get another bot and restart the game immediately.
2) If the server/bot crashes after the 30min mark, the game can be restarted if time allows and both captain agrees, if not, the game will be played in the replay week.

The 2nd rule says "after" 30 minutes. If you believe the definition "within" implies 29 or before. Then what happens if the game is exactly 30 minutes? It would not be within the jurisdiction of either of the rules. So by looking at both rules as a whole, it's clear that within means the span between 4:00pm and 4:30pm. Anything after the 30 min mark means the 2nd rule comes into effect.

Since your first round started at 4:30pm (again, going by your numbers), that would mean that you did not have grounds for a replay for the first round of your LJ game.

This does not affect -Final-'s appeal, because their third round started quite a bit after the 30 minute mark. So, they do have grounds for the appeal.

[Bill C]

BTW by my numbers they are exact. Go into Pirates or -Final- 's squad profile and click twlj and go to playoff scores at bottom. You stil have no reply to my other arguments because I'm right.

[Zingy]

BTW by my numbers they are exact. Go into Pirates or -Final- 's squad profile and click twlj and go to playoff scores at bottom. You stil have no reply to my other arguments because I'm right.

Since your numbers are exact, then that just reinforces what I posted

Your other argument was that Disqualifier delayed the game intentionally.

Disqualifier is a player, he was not the one running the match. No matter how much he PM'd the staff, he had no power to decide what time the game would start. If you read the log he posted of his conversation between himself and P_L you would see that staff was operating at their own pace. You can blame -F- for trying to stall, but that does not affect anything because ultimately -F- had no power to stall the game, the ops made that decision while they thought about what they should do.

[Asmodeus]

Going by this logic, then wouldn't NOT adding players be interpreted as him accepting defeat? For all intents and purposes, the bot/host would then have declared Pirates the automatic winners.

He probably added players because he knew the staff had made an improper decision, and he didn't want to be completely screwed if an appeal didn't go through.

Just because he added players doesn't change the fact that a round 3 took place which shouldn't have.

It should have taken place. Everyone was debating for 20...30 mins on whether or not to start the next round. All bot issues had been resolved by that time. This appeal is bullshit.