Hot and Not

[PaulOakenfold]

I liked Pandora when I joined them, but that was only because I was ignorant to how incredibly arrogant, immature, and hot headed some of the members were. The squad has a lot of younger players, and that's just fine; But when you come into a zone with a bunch of DSB guys shooting your mouth off like every DSB guy that has come here before you, you're not going to get a warm welcome, nor are you going to get any sympathy for a while (especially with threads like these. Vati I understand you're not one of those 'dsb guys').

Now, had you guys done that, learned your lesson, then kept your mouths shut during the season, you would have seen much more respect. Keep it cool on the off season, and perhaps you'll get a new level of respect next season when you're not the 'new DSB guys.'

With that, you guys had a great season. You suprised and pissed off people with the way you guys played the season. I hope you guys stick around you're great competition and I forsee a great future for your squad.

[Vatican Assassin]

Well the whole point of this thread was geared toward what Ephemeral pointed out: en effort to bring TW's objectives to light. I admitted a couple times that there is a good possibilty that my squad does have some arrogant trashtalkers, and by the response I cannot deny that that is probably the case. So this goes out to Mouse and Eelam and any others: I personally do not want to be on a hated squad because you enjoy drama. I lost at least a few good shark partners to such nonsense, including Paul O, Dwopple, Gabraham, and if I payed more attention to forums I would probably have left too. So I will continue to play on Pandora in the hopes that we can grow up, play with respect and humility, and by doing so earn the respect of others. I do not want my final game in next TWL so be overshadowed by everyones hatred for my squad. Just because trash talking has become a part of TW does not mean it has to be, just because most internet games include it does not mean we have to be a party to it. I'm not upset by someone being called fat every time he talks, I am dismayed at the amount of negativity that followed our squad this season. Don't make me join Rejected Basers.

[Ephemeral]

Eph: Why is every post u make about friendship and all kinds of gay homosexual shit? Seriously, the zone isnt gonna change bc u keep repeating the same thing in each thread. We get ur point of view, u want everyone to hold hands and get along, sometimes i wish it was this way too, but guess what it isnt gonna happen.

How is being a good person 'homosexual shit'? How is sportsmanship 'homosexual shit'?
I think that people should not hide behind the anonymous nature of the internet and act like a 10 y.o. who has street credits.

Look, I know that a little shit talking can be fun. If I were to PM you 'ez' in some game we both would know and understand what was going down, the context would be clear. But this is not about two people who have played the game for years and know each other. This is about the amount of bullshit pub talk that has invaded the game/leagues/forums to the point of being detrimental and damaging. Obviously, as stated in the posts above, people now think it is cool and generates 'interest' to be an asshole.

People like Moot and many other are trying to establish some order and purpose to all of this so TW will survive for years to come. TW limits racism for the same reasons. Intentionally talking shit to 'make it more interesting' clearly are opposite from the Mission and Values of this Zone.

And as a side note (and take this from someone who has a clear understanding of this), everyone should try to live each day as though it is your last. It is no big effort to be nice.
Besides, if you live a good, honorable life when you are younger, when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time.

[Vykromond]

Gay homosexuals? Are those like straight homosexuals? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME CIG SMOKE

[Cig Smoke]

Eelam, you're doing this for all the wrong reasons. Personally I respect squads and players that don't brag about their performance and if they sometimes do, they can live up to it. You said people in Pandora know that you're not what you claim to be, then you claim to be the best. So when you know that you're not the best, why would you even remotely suggest anything like that.

Believe me, being the underdog and beating "superior" squads, like we did against Pandora and Dice, is much more fun than losing after claiming to be the best. Plus the fact that -FINAL- hardly makes any noise about its basing and we're in the finals two seasons in a row makes it even more enjoyable. Maybe next season we won't be once again underestimated.

I don't like trash talkers, I like friendly people and luckily I've made some good friends in this game, that's the reason why I'm still playing. Interesting people make this an interesting game, but morons just make it unenjoyable.

I dont think anyone really "underestimated" -f-. I know i personaly had u guys goin to the playoffs b4 the season and durin the season. Everyone knows when -f-'s top line comes they are a force in any of the 3 leagues, the problem u guys seemd to have this season was gettin that top line on tho. Thats when ppl started to eliminate u guys from the title shot.

Eph: Why is every post u make about friendship and all kinds of gay homosexual shit? Seriously, the zone isnt gonna change bc u keep repeating the same thing in each thread. We get ur point of view, u want everyone to hold hands and get along, sometimes i wish it was this way too, but guess what it isnt gonna happen.

[Disqualifier]

Eelam, you're doing this for all the wrong reasons. Personally I respect squads and players that don't brag about their performance and if they sometimes do, they can live up to it. You said people in Pandora know that you're not what you claim to be, then you claim to be the best. So when you know that you're not the best, why would you even remotely suggest anything like that.

Believe me, being the underdog and beating "superior" squads, like we did against Pandora and Dice, is much more fun than losing after claiming to be the best. Plus the fact that -FINAL- hardly makes any noise about its basing and we're in the finals two seasons in a row makes it even more enjoyable. Maybe next season we won't be once again underestimated.

I don't like trash talkers, I like friendly people and luckily I've made some good friends in this game, that's the reason why I'm still playing. Interesting people make this an interesting game, but morons just make it unenjoyable.

[Ephemeral]

K here is my reply to all of this.

Why do i act the way i do? Well for fun, without drama their is no fun. I talk shit, and I say we are the best, because this is what people want to hear, they want to see the trash talkers either win it or lose it. People watched a lot of Pandora's matches in hopes too see us lose. WE got attention, and please dont tell me that we wasted your sunday last nite, because i know many people in spec were enjoying themselves watching the match. This game is all about having fun, and seriously I act the way i do because i get a kick out of watching people hate me, and people wanting to see me lose. Pandora is a squad that is a lot of fun, people in our chat know that we aren't what we say we are. Why do you think we have so much tw people in our chat? and on our squad and still haven't left? Do you think we are actually taht arrogant? Why do you think peole like Vati is sitll on the squad.

But overall great TWL SEason for us and for everyone else. Hope too see you all next year.

Taken straight from the Zone Objectives.
"The ultimate goal of Trench Wars is the development and maintenance of an online community that fosters teamwork and camaraderie among its members. By providing an environment that promotes integrity, good sportsmanship and fun, Trench War’s strives to remain as one of the Internet’s best online gaming communities."

Now please explain how your statement even comes close to the Zone objectives. Talking trash, pissing people off, bragging is no fun for anyone but the poeple doing it. Do you even know what sportsmanship is? Integrity?

[eelam <tw>]

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K here is my reply to all of this.

Why do i act the way i do? Well for fun, without drama their is no fun. I talk shit, and I say we are the best, because this is what people want to hear, they want to see the trash talkers either win it or lose it. People watched a lot of Pandora's matches in hopes too see us lose. WE got attention, and please dont tell me that we wasted your sunday last nite, because i know many people in spec were enjoying themselves watching the match. This game is all about having fun, and seriously I act the way i do because i get a kick out of watching people hate me, and people wanting to see me lose. Pandora is a squad that is a lot of fun, people in our chat know that we aren't what we say we are. Why do you think we have so much tw people in our chat? and on our squad and still haven't left? Do you think we are actually taht arrogant? Why do you think peole like Vati is sitll on the squad.

But overall great TWL SEason for us and for everyone else. Hope too see you all next year.

[Kawrae]

useless thread, pandora never had a chance

This is useless, but Pand had a chance. I think most ppl though they would win. Maybe that's why Vati got so emotional when someone called his squadmate fat.

[Jones]

useless thread, pandora never had a chance

[Mantra-Slider]

this is our lebanon vs israel scenario.

[End]

Ok ill give my side. I too hate Pandora for a number of reasons. They came to our zone and made a squad full of DSBERS then start saying how they are all that and smack tlaking the people of tw whose zone this is. I play DSB and i got shunted there even though im on Danger. Any DSBER that comes here ill tell them to go home cause in my opinion there not welcome here. I don't want DSBers in my zone, simple.

[Ephemeral]

Show me a zone where the players do not brag when they win or make excuses when they lose and I will show you a league that is better then the others.

So far this has not happened.

[Ivan]

I guess Vat won't rest until he gets an explanation for all of this anti-Pandora behavior. I was going to leave it be, but he's been hounding me all day trying to get an answer, so I guess I'll oblige.

From the day Pandora was formed, all I've heard out of their core members are arrogant remarks like "we will win league" and "no1 can stop us", interspersed with several arrogant outbursts of "yawn" and the like. There's a fine line between confidence and arrogance. Care to take a stab at which side of that line most of Pandora was (and apparently still is) on? Oh, and let us not forget Eelam and Mouse's twin temper tantrums following their loss to Dice in week 5. Eelam in match predictions: "me + mouse dice has no chance mega will get owned". Mouse following the match: "dice cheats staff is biased fuck u guys im done with tw". Eelam following the match: ?squadleave + magically disappear from roster. Quick trip from the penthouse to the outhouse, eh boys? And don't get me started on how pathetic it was to send someone out for the sole purpose of logging spec chat. Honestly, there is no reason to care that much about what other people think. Spectators can criticize my in-game actions, wish cancer on me, accuse me of having a small penis, or say whatever else they like. Internet insults don't bother me, but apparently they make you quiver in a dark corner like a dejected child. I'll be sure to take advantage of that fact until you decide to stop letting it affect you.

Yes, TW players generally harbor ill feelings toward DSB players and squads, but there's a good reason for that. Consider the behavior of most DSB players when they come to TW. Then consider this scenario: You walk into someone's backyard and say "I'm better than you, this is my backyard now". Do you expect the backyard's owner to welcome you with open arms? Sorry pal, it doesn't work that way. The guy's going to defend his turf, and probably ship your ass out in a pine box.

Now that I've vented a bit, I will be the first to say that you guys deserve props for showing a lot of resilience, something that past DSB-based squads lacked. However, that doesn't change the fact that you brought most of this upon yourselves. Lose the unnecessary cockiness and maybe next season people won't be so eager to see you lose.

Thanks for playing.

Thanks for playing.

[Spikester]

The negative response from people is because of your squad digging yourself into a hole by being arrogant, whiney, negative towards others and many other things. When eelam comes on my chats and spams me from other zones is an example of why others decide to hate on you. If your squad respected others then you would get treated better. Noone hates on anti-scrub or other squads who are generally more respectful because of the mutual respect to eachother. Not saying this as a generalization to your whole squad but it does apply to most of you.

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