TWL Auto-Invite

[Nethila]

this issue has been brought up within TWL Ops.. (yes, we actually work). And every season this has been 1 of the discussion topic among players.

the current auto-invite system is as follow: all playoff squads from the previous season will get invited back to twl. provided that they never dissolved and maintained a 50% roster from last season.

now.. here are some options of modification to that system, one thing won't change is the rule of "never dissolved and maintain 50% roster"

[Chao.]

Inviting only the semi's back makes a lot more sense...12 spots, 8 free each year.

[Jeenyuss]

semis weeds out the inactives.

[Ekko]

maybe this poll should have been started before you invited 8 squads back,

[Fit of Rage]

I think all playoff squads merit an invitation back, it encourages squads to stay together. Given that, I think they should also be REQUIRED to play a minimum number of games in each league they would auto-qualify for in order to merit that invitation. Within reason of course.

Example:
Every top 16 TWDD squad (with the exception of penetrate) had over 100 games, so how about 70 games should be a minimum to requalify for TWLD?

Every top 16 TWJD squad (with the exceptions of 2yawning (who?) and -final-) had 90+ games, so how about 70 games should be a minimum to requalify for TWLJ?

Every top 12 TWBD squad (with the exception of savanger who doesn't really base anyway) had 30 games (even RAMPAGE managed to play 33 bds). How about a cutoff of 25 games for TWLB?

[Ikrit]

I think all playoff squads merit an invitation back, it encourages squads to stay together. Given that, I think they should also be REQUIRED to play a minimum number of games in each league they would auto-qualify for in order to merit that invitation. Within reason of course.

Example:
Every top 16 TWDD squad (with the exception of penetrate) had over 100 games, so how about 70 games should be a minimum to requalify for TWLD?

Every top 16 TWJD squad (with the exceptions of 2yawning (who?) and -final-) had 90+ games, so how about 70 games should be a minimum to requalify for TWLJ?

Every top 12 TWBD squad (with the exception of savanger who doesn't really base anyway) had 30 games (even RAMPAGE managed to play 33 bds). How about a cutoff of 25 games for TWLB?

Fit is a fucking genius, I think it's stupid that squads can do absolutely nothing during qualifications and get an invite, it doesn't encourage competition... in TWEL, I drop the inactive players from playoffs to allow more room for people who actually play the game.

[PaulOakenfold]

I agree with Fit's idea, but I think it needs to go further if such implementation happens.

The most important part of this poll is our TWL managers' view on what TWL should be, and what makes a 'TWL able' squad and one that is not wanted (for whatever reason). I love the fact that a squad's hard work will bring them future glory (auto-invite), but it needs to change... because at the moment, and in past seasons, we have squads that are pretty much saying "Fuck you, we made it, we don't have to do shit now," and that's certainly not acceptable, especially if you're part of a squad that's busting their ass for a spot.

TWL is going to remain the crux of this zone, and for good reason... but it needs to change with the times like any idolic figure. What I'm asking for, and I think a lot of TWL participants are asking for... is to give us your modern insight of how you think the league should be run and looked at by the community; we can go from there.

You guys have certainly been in an authoritiarian position longer than I ever have or ever will, but I'm going to give you what advice I can. Take the poll results as, "Okay, everyone wants a change... they're not exactly sure what they want, but something needs to happen," or "Okay, there's a large majority that wants to keep it as is, I don't think next season is the time for such a change."

[Exalt]

fit has a great idea, i think it should be implimented for the benefit of competition next season

yes everyone is basicly pissed about the whole 50% rule being taken away and that you invited SOOO many squads back into twl for no reason... its rediculous but I guess its too late???

but you guys have to admit, none of you even thought about making a poll about this or asking players opinions until after the fact when you realized how many people were pissed off with the way things are turning out, TWL is meant for competition of the most talented squads

another thing I would like to add to fits idea... is to take into account the whole average rating statistic next season. Unleash for instance had the TOP average rating of any squad, right above sake who clearly deserved a spot in twl too

but unleash of course isnt in twl, missed it by 2 spots, but those 2 spots have been taken up by 3 squads that have one of the lowest average rating in twdd, one an auto-invite and 2 newcomers

and please place the 50% rule back into effect, theres no good reason that a squad with completely different players be allowed a free pass into twl when their entire starting lineup went elsewhere this season, and the new players proved nothing in twd to warrent a twl spot

edit: as far as i understand, the 50% rule was removed this season, to make it that as long as the squad didnt dissolve and 1 captain remains on the squad it is eligible??? so nethila i think you worded that wrong in your post

and to further clarify what should be done with that rule, it should be 50% of their starting lineup too, because clearly there were squads with backups that never played, and probably never will start in twl due to skill level, but they helped retain the 50% that is needed

[pascone]

fit has a great idea, i think it should be implimented for the benefit of competition next season

yes everyone is basicly pissed about the whole 50% rule being taken away and that you invited SOOO many squads back into twl for no reason... its rediculous but I guess its too late???

but you guys have to admit, none of you even thought about making a poll about this or asking players opinions until after the fact when you realized how many people were pissed off with the way things are turning out, TWL is meant for competition of the most talented squads

another thing I would like to add to fits idea... is to take into account the whole average rating statistic next season. Unleash for instance had the TOP average rating of any squad, right above sake who clearly deserved a spot in twl too

but unleash of course isnt in twl, missed it by 2 spots, but those 2 spots have been taken up by 3 squads that have one of the lowest average rating in twdd, one an auto-invite and 2 newcomers

and please place the 50% rule back into effect, theres no good reason that a squad with completely different players be allowed a free pass into twl when their entire starting lineup went elsewhere this season, and the new players proved nothing in twd to warrent a twl spot

when the decision about auto-qualifying was brought up in our meeting, at the time, the ladder suggested that it wouldn't really matter. there was 1 squad not in the top 12 for twld, that being -final- and frankly, they deserve the spot if they choose to accept it. i dont really remember what the other leagues looked like, but i believe it was the same for javs. basing, there might be an argument, but i trust the squads that have been in twl and as a result of their success they get rewarded by being entered in the league the next year. again, at the time of the meeting, it didn't really affect anything. also, what squads wouldn't have the 50%, i don't have records of who was on what squad at the end of last year so i have nothing to compare anyway.

it really isn't that hard to qualify for twl, all you have to do is play games. as for the opponent rating, there isn't really much it tells you. ok savanger played squads that weren't overall as good as the squads unleash played. savanger won the majority oft he games. unleash, based on their rating, suggests that they didn't win many of their games against theese higher ranked squad. so we learn from the opponet rating that savenger wins easy games and unleash loses in harder games. would unleash beat easier squads? maybe. would savanger lose harder games? maybe. there isn't really much you can determine from it. also, even if you averaged the two numbers or something, savanger would still rank in the high enough tier.

[Exalt]

when the decision about auto-qualifying was brought up in our meeting, at the time, the ladder suggested that it wouldn't really matter. there was 1 squad not in the top 12 for twld, that being -final- and frankly, they deserve the spot if they choose to accept it. i dont really remember what the other leagues looked like, but i believe it was the same for javs. basing, there might be an argument, but i trust the squads that have been in twl and as a result of their success they get rewarded by being entered in the league the next year. again, at the time of the meeting, it didn't really affect anything. also, what squads wouldn't have the 50%, i don't have records of who was on what squad at the end of last year so i have nothing to compare anyway.

it really isn't that hard to qualify for twl, all you have to do is play games. as for the opponent rating, there isn't really much it tells you. ok savanger played squads that weren't overall as good as the squads unleash played. savanger won the majority oft he games. unleash, based on their rating, suggests that they didn't win many of their games against theese higher ranked squad. so we learn from the opponet rating that savenger wins easy games and unleash loses in harder games. would unleash beat easier squads? maybe. would savanger lose harder games? maybe. there isn't really much you can determine from it. also, even if you averaged the two numbers or something, savanger would still rank in the high enough tier.

i think sav deserves a spot, but what im saying is that I do believe you should at least take the average rating somewhat into account, otherwise why is it there?

if for instance, gianttiger made the final twl spot by playing $flabby$ 100 times in a day (which would be possible with the amount of people they have on the squad) would you consider them quality twl contenders? At that point you would have to ask yourself if average rating mattered, im just suggesting it for next season because its worth looking into

[pascone]

the average rating against was looked at but in this season, we didn't feel that there was enough of a difference based on it. if savanger wasn't ranked 3rd and they say ranked 12th at the time, then yes, it would have likely made a difference. if you have enough points, the average opponent average can only make so much of a difference

[Fit of Rage]

The point was not whether -final- could or could not qualify. Yes, I'm sure if they played the games they'd be right up there in the top 16. My point is that final only played 3 TWDD games in the entire qualification period:

Feb 07 12pm win HappyTrain 2 - 0 4
Dec 12 1am win Savanger 2 - 0 39
Dec 04 4am win TeKs 2 - 0 23

Whereas other squads actually played games to qualify and put in the effort, whereas final has zero effort required.

[pascone]

The point was not whether -final- could or could not qualify. Yes, I'm sure if they played the games they'd be right up there in the top 16. My point is that final only played 3 TWDD games in the entire qualification period:

Feb 07 12pm win HappyTrain 2 - 0 4
Dec 12 1am win Savanger 2 - 0 39
Dec 04 4am win TeKs 2 - 0 23

Whereas other squads actually played games to qualify and put in the effort, whereas final has zero effort required.

their effort came from last season in twl. they also didn't dissolve

[Mantra-Slider]

Id say keep it as it is or do the fit suggestion.

[Galleleo]

I would say it depends on the squads getting in, if only 12, do only semi's, if 14 do quarters, etc.

It's silly to invite 8 squads back when there are only 12 spots.

Next to that add fit's idea.