Zazu

[Soul Survivor]

I think it's a good decision not allowing Zazu to play. Now what about Sika, Lomoro, Sarrow, Elven, ao vivo, and any of the other uber dailup laggit's?

[Salubrious]

Let's ban all poor people.

[R1pp3r]

You aren't making any sense, neth laid it down for you nice and clear.

He would stay away from lomoro since he has an unfair advantage, but he will try to guess whether or not Zazu will tank and kill him. I don’t see why he can’t use the same logic to both. They both have an unfair advantage so why not just stay away from both of them. However, it’s a bit contradicting to say “i'd rather play against a player like lomoro” and then say that you will stay away from him.

[Izor]

lol who decided not to let him play? I dont think thats true It's not even a question of whether or not he cheated though..he had literally like 120 ms ping with no ploss/slow ploss/tinfo spikes and flew through shots repeatedly while managing to kill people up close. He didnt spike, and didnt visibly lag other than running through bullets. I'm trying to help out the TWL community here even though I dont even play this season but obviously this guy is protected from a ban, most likely because that ban would result in sake not playing in the playoffs. Yes Zazu went 10-10 only despite his effective 20 something deaths, but look at his previous weeks. He's had an uncharacteristically good season for himself and has been eating like that pretty much every week. The main reason why its being brought up now is because it was SO obvious this week in particular. He didnt even start noticeably tanking until the end of the game where it mattered most. Anything less than a ban on him is really reflecting poorly on how we deal with this behavior. The kind of cheat he used is also not something that staff is going to 'detect' with whatever programs they use so really it's just sending a message to potential cheaters that 'hey, the worst that'll happen is people will talk about you on forums'. I dont know what kind of concrete evidence you wish to see other than that many eats in a row on a (relatively) low lag connection. How are you going to handle this in the future? Its not like any MORE staffers are going to be seeing the games than that...especially TWD games. If I'd like to right now I could download CE and start running it in games to have the same effect as Zazu and no one could do anything about it because I could just say I'm having ISP issues.

[Ward]

He would stay away from lomoro since he has an unfair advantage, but he will try to guess whether or not Zazu will tank and kill him. I don’t see why he can’t use the same logic to both. They both have an unfair advantage so why not just stay away from both of them. However, it’s a bit contradicting to say “i'd rather play against a player like lomoro” and then say that you will stay away from him.

he meant that lomoro is predictable as opposed to zazu

[Izor]

lol now that I see that sticky I can say that yeah, obviously staff knows hes cheating but as a courtesy to pascone and barton arent going to outright ban him

[pascone]

lol now that I see that sticky I can say that yeah, obviously staff knows hes cheating but as a courtesy to pascone and barton arent going to outright ban him

didn't i already say i don't care if he gets banned? i don't know how i could be any more clear with that statement

[Izor]

well may i ask what constitutes as 'solid proof' to staff as far as cheating is concerned? Yes you have a system that detects when people put bursts in their wbs and it warns smods. Thats great, but it doesnt work for less obvious cheats like the one zazu used. I've also done numerous ?cheater calls when people are eating/lagging ridiculously in games over the past year and it seems that staffers come and just cant do anything about it except watch the lag/cheat continue. Theres a fine line obviously of what is cheating and what isn't is my main point, since you really cant ever have something short of someone coming out and saying 'oh hey i cheated right there' as proof. What we've seen from zazu this season is way over that line.

[Reaver]

lol now that I see that sticky I can say that yeah, obviously staff knows hes cheating but as a courtesy to pascone and barton arent going to outright ban him

You and I can't say he was or wasn't cheating. And although I'm sure you'd love to tell everyone here that you know with 100% certainty that he was, you can't honestly say that he was. Neither of us know, but that's not even important. What's important is that if your connection is ridiculous and you've done nothing, or can't do anything to at least make it reasonable then don't expect to play in TWL. If Zazu really isn't cheating then banning him would be far worse than allowing him to play in TW (but not TWL) while cheating.

[Vihta]

Thing with Lomoro, Zapata and other high pingers is that ppl lag on their screen as well (unless they are cheating ofc). Having played on 10ms average when the server was in Finland and 140ms average now, I would take the 10ms average in a heartbeat.

[Singer]

Ooh cmon, you only decided to ban zazu now? His cheats were so obvious 2 months ago and when you'd talk to him about it out after a dd he wouldnt say anything and the sake members would all say how much they didnt like zazu much.. kinda makes me wonder why they kept him in the squad and made him a league starter

Anyways.. whoever recruited zazu obviously knew about his "abilities" and he didnt care much about the outcome and repercussions since there is a major pro staffer backing him up just in case something was to be found.

[Predator Rulez]

Thing with Lomoro, Zapata and other high pingers is that ppl lag on their screen as well (unless they are cheating ofc). Having played on 10ms average when the server was in Finland and 140ms average now, I would take the 10ms average in a heartbeat.

I have to 200% disagree with you here.. cuz that's a plain bullshit story.. back in the days when I started subspace I was on a 56K modem.. with a 350MS ave.. yeah.. it was that bad.. yet I was PERFECTLY used to playing with it.. and had no problems owning ppl with it... and if you think it just a "LITTLE BIT" through.. it makes sense.. I knew exactly how to duel/shoot/rush/whatever with my lag.. yet players with no lag had no clue how to fight me... and ofcourse they all went "wtf you laggot gtfo ez nub blah blah"... well they where right. Players that do have a steady connection.., which is thank god, the majority are used to that.. so if some nub laggot faggot comes by with a 300ms ave.. do the math.. the laggot knows exactly how to anticipate.. yet the normal player doesn't.. So drop the bullshit stories.. I"ve been there myself

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kthnx

[Jrahen]

pred'd

[Underground]

Pred is still my e-hero.

PS: I love you jra

[Mootland Farmer]

I have to 200% disagree with you here.. cuz that's a plain bullshit story.. back in the days when I started subspace I was on a 56K modem.. with a 350MS ave.. yeah.. it was that bad.. yet I was PERFECTLY used to playing with it.. and had no problems owning ppl with it... and if you think it just a "LITTLE BIT" through.. it makes sense.. I knew exactly how to duel/shoot/rush/whatever with my lag.. yet players with no lag had no clue how to fight me... and ofcourse they all went "wtf you laggot gtfo ez nub blah blah"... well they where right. Players that do have a steady connection.., which is thank god, the majority are used to that.. so if some nub laggot faggot comes by with a 300ms ave.. do the math.. the laggot knows exactly how to anticipate.. yet the normal player doesn't.. So drop the bullshit stories.. I"ve been there myself

afk
kthnx

You're almost right. Like you, I also started playing on a 56K modem, yet I constantly had ping times of 450-500ms. This naturally affected my dueling (haha yes I use to duel) and while my opponents couldn't kill me, I often placed alot of 'duds' on their ship too. Likewise when I started Spidering in TWLB and in base games, the same thing happened. I would place as many as 6-7 shots sometimes on my opponent, yet he/she would not die.