Zazu

[PjOtTeR]

I have to agree with Pred here...
For example DanyalDenyo would lag big time back in the day, worse then any of the players nowadays... He was really good with that cause he was used to see the lag and knew how to play with it, while on the other hand when you had to play him, you had no Idea how to react and respond to him when playing him. Same goes for Lomoro if you ask me. When you are dodging/running from him you cannot tell when he shoots... and cause of that you basicly catch half of his kills, while you could have dodged those easily if he had a normall connection...
That is what Ripper tries to say: Zazu dies to a bullet 50% of the time, while Lomoro will never shoot a normall bullet...
Nethila is right for a small part... But when lag gets as bad as Lomoro's, it doesn't apply anymore that he is affected by it just as much as the opponent...
I once had horrible lag myself due to god knows what... my tinfo would spike up and down with 30 constantly... I wasn't affected at all by my lag, but everyone else was, I got banned for like 3 days cause I refused to spec... Why isn't that possible these days anymore? If a player lags that much so he gets an unfair advantage, just make him spec, and if he refuses, warn him and then ban him...

I for example share a 15 Euro a month connection with 5 people... So I, myself pay 3 Euro a month for it... So don't tell me you cannot get a decent connection for hardly any money... that's bullshit.. Oh, and real poor people shouldn't have computers with internet, they should be out there seeking a job and getting some income.

[Zazu]

Ok seriously, tell me..
Would ANYBODY be SO dumb to cheat and appareantly eat a lot in a LD match?? When 100 ppl are in the arena and 20 mods are there to spec you? Seriously, even Izor wouldn't be so dumb!

Again I'm saying I'm having some computer problems. Weird things are happening, tried to format twice already but it didn't help yet.
I am trying to fix it because this isn't normal for me. I'm getting some help and checking all kinds of stuff and probably going to do another format.
Hope it helps, but stop making stupid assumptions!

[genocidal]

Nobody cares about figuring out whether you cheat or not. Apparently your "lag" gives you an unfair advantage and whether you're cheating or it's your connection problems is irrelevant. Compounding the problem is your reputation for being a stupid dipshit, which doesn't exactly make your arguments convincing. Bottom line: you didn't belong in TWL, cheating or not.

[Blood]

have any of you that are making arguments for lag ever played on a 10ms connection for a long period of time?

[Ricko]

It was only until about 2 years ago that i finally got a decent connection, before then i was a constant 200-250ms and everyone would moan at me and call me a laggot, sure some people would eat a few of my shots, but im pretty sure it was alot worse for everyone else who tried to play me as to me, noone else would really appear to spike around so i had a huge advantage. Back then i thought i was behind the times because i still had a dialup connection, but 2 years on...comeon thats just bad. I know from my own experience, that these laggots shouldnt be allowed to play because they have a clear advantage. Im coming from preds side, + hey pred havent seen u in ages newb ^^

[Foreign]

i have to put my vote on the side of a stable connection. when the server was in finland i played with 250-350ms. yeah i annoyed some people, but i didn't play THAT well. it wasn't until the server moved to america and i was able to get a 60ms ping that I really started owning people. Why? because I could hit them up close and they would die. I guess it just depends on your style of play. Why do you think people like Elven just lob? Ping is too high to even think about rushing. Before when I had 250 or so I'd go to work with my dad sometimes on a T1 and rack up ridiculous scores.

[Reaver]

Thing with Lomoro, Zapata and other high pingers is that ppl lag on their screen as well (unless they are cheating ofc). Having played on 10ms average when the server was in Finland and 140ms average now, I would take the 10ms average in a heartbeat.

Agreed 100%, I've had dialup, satellite dsl, dsl and now cable. I play much worse anytime I go over approximately 150ms.

[Squadless]

when i download porn and at about 4000- 7600 MS... its knida hard to kill me...hwoever i have no trouble killing people (for the 30 seconds that i dont lag out) (i love chasing lomoro then eating his shot dead on, which didnt even appear on my screen, and killing him)
other then that 10 MS over here and i'd take it anyday over 150ms

[Galleleo]

If pred becomes TWL Op, he'll kick TWLB..

[MetalHeadz]

Oh gosh, not lag on an online game? Man, I've never heard of this before.

I mean, Sake - they're such a bad squad they really need one player to risk their whole reputation just to get a few kills.

Come on guys, wtf, he was experiencing a bit of lag. At the most have a moderator watch him in the next few rounds and see if it is serious enough, if it is put him out of this TWL.

Cheater my arse, it's just another EMO Quicksander getting all upset, go cut your wrists fag.

[MetalHeadz]

I have to 200% disagree with you here.. cuz that's a plain bullshit story.. back in the days when I started subspace I was on a 56K modem.. with a 350MS ave.. yeah.. it was that bad.. yet I was PERFECTLY used to playing with it.. and had no problems owning ppl with it... and if you think it just a "LITTLE BIT" through.. it makes sense.. I knew exactly how to duel/shoot/rush/whatever with my lag.. yet players with no lag had no clue how to fight me... and ofcourse they all went "wtf you laggot gtfo ez nub blah blah"... well they where right. Players that do have a steady connection.., which is thank god, the majority are used to that.. so if some nub laggot faggot comes by with a 300ms ave.. do the math.. the laggot knows exactly how to anticipate.. yet the normal player doesn't.. So drop the bullshit stories.. I"ve been there myself

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I would have to disagree with you '200%' there pred. There's so many negatives to lagging with 300ms+ lag.

Primarily:

1) People eat to the exact same proportion as you're eating their shots.
2) You're likely to lagout frequently
3) Effectively everyone else is lagging so everyone is 'harder' to shoot at etc.

I truly believe that given the choice the majoritu of subspace players would opt to play with 10ms 0.0, 0.0 rather than 300ms 1.0, 1.0

[R1pp3r]

I agree that 10-50 ms is better than 100-150 ms but 180-200 ms lag with some weird ploss can be even better. I'm sure most players have experienced a day when you get that "elite lag" which can own pretty much everyone. Well, that day is everyday for the brazilians.

Plus, as a few people has already mentioned... the extreme laggers will get used to the lag and learn how to play with it, but their opponents facing them will often get suprised.

[Blood]

What Foreign said, the lower your ping is, the easier it is to rush. And that makes for a big difference in the end.

[R1pp3r]

What Foreign said, the lower your ping is, the easier it is to rush. And that makes for a big difference in the end.

Yeah, but you can own without rushing as well. The extreme laggers can stay at a safe dodging range while lobbing unpredictable bullets.

[MirrorriM]

I remember my frosh year in college playing ss...I averaged around 250 ms and had a ball playing jav and spid in go base, no one could stop me! However, on my normal ping of 110 ms which according to people here seems to be a bit high, I've had days where no one seems to want to die after many hits. I wonder what the difference is.

and to metalheadz: it doesnt matter if it was CE or not, that lag was an unfair advantage.

"Come on guys, wtf, he was experiencing a bit of lag. At the most have a moderator watch him in the next few rounds and see if it is serious enough, if it is put him out of this TWL."

We did just that.