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    5.09 In the event that a player is accidentally de-rostered from a Trench Wars League Squad, an Email must be sent to the Trench Wars League Operators within 24 hours or else they will be subject to all roster lock and waiting period restrictions. (See Rules 5.06, 5.07 and 5.08) If the player becomes rostered on another Trench Wars Leagues or Trench Wars Divisions Squad within the 24-hour period, this offer will not apply.
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    After reading another thread regarding the derostering of a player, I felt the need to analyze this rule and explain why this rule does not make any sense.

    Many of the staff members who commented on the rule said that the derostering of eelam could not have been an "accident" due to the fact that a "confirmation" was necessary before the person was really axed.

    Now, let's think about that for a second... how could a derostering EVER be accidental, if confirmations are required? Even if someone accidently kicks the wrong person from the roster (maybe they clicked the button above the one they intended to press), then still wouldn't they have needed to "confirm" their selection?

    This would mean that NO derostering can EVER be accidental. If that is the case, why does this rule even exist?

    After all, how can TWL staff EVER know if a derostering is accidental... unless they can somehow telepathically peer into the mind of the person who did it. Last time I checked, this is not possible.

    Some may claim that a person admitting to axing a person is sufficient to prove its accidental or not. Well, lets think about this too. If I claim that i'm the queen of england, does that make it true? Probably not. Even if someone DOES claim that an axing was intentional it is important to keep in mind the character of the person doing the derostering. Some people like mouse are naturally unstable... and a character that is naturally unstable is prone to doing things that they did not truly intend to.

    Lets take an example: a child is being devious and intentionally spills orange juice on the floor, the mother comes and is mad at the child. Yes, the child INTENTIONALLY spilled the orange juice, but a child is prone to do things like that, even if their heart is pure--they simply had a relapse into bad tendencies. Spilling the orange juice was an accident of character, even if the action itself was clearly not an "accident" in itself.

    TWL Staff examining an appeal can never truly know if something is an accident or not, since they are not the one doing the axing. Even someone claims that the axing was intentional is not sufficient... Because if they had kept their mouth shut, no one would have known otherwise. There is no reason for someone to be penalized for talking.


    It is no doubt that Pandora's bad reputation had a factor in TWL staff's decision. I do not expect TWL staff to change their mind on the appeal, because this would mean them having to admit that they were wrong, and I just don't see that happening.



    I propose one of two actions:


    1. Rule 5.09 needs to be removed for next season, because according to what TWL staff has said so far, a derostering CAN NEVER be accidental, since it requires someone to agree to a confirmation page.

    2. Change this rule so that it states that if a person gets derostered from a TWL squad after the hard lock, they can at any time rejoin that squad and still participate in TWL, as long as they were not rostered on any other squad in the time after they were derostered.


    The condition of the rule as it currently stands leaves too much potential for TWL staff to make improper decisions. TWL staff is human, and they are bound to make decisions in which their own personal feelings about the squad play a factor in their decision.



    :fear:
    Last edited by Anonymous; 05-10-2007, 05:58 PM.

  • #2
    i agree with changin the rule.
    1 + 1 = 1

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Anonymous View Post

      I propose one of two actions:


      1. I stick to mediocre comics.

      2. I do the world a favour and jump of the nearest bridge.
      Another fix for a better future
      "People fear what they can't understand, hate what they can't conquer."

      "Cherry blossoms in the Spring, and starry skies in the Summer. The Autumn brings the full moon. The Winter brings the snow. These things make Sake taste good. If you don't like Sake, then there is something wrong with you." Seijuro Hiko

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      • #4
        Maybe an axing can't be accidental but you can accidentally leave the squad? It's a lot less clicks to leave a squad than to axe someone I think.
        5:gen> man
        5:gen> i didn't know shade's child fucked bluednady

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        • #5
          How can you accidently leave a squad? That too requires confirmation.

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          • #6
            An axing can be accidental if someone hacks a captain's TWD account.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by genocidal View Post
              An axing can be accidental if someone hacks a captain's TWD account.
              If someone hacks a captain's account, then the axings are not "accidental", it is an intentional axing by the person who hacked the account. So accident still isn't the right word for this scenario.

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              • #8
                If I'm right in saying this, it still asks you if you are certain you want to leave a squad before the page is refreshed. It did so last time I left Quicksand for dicE which wasn't too long before TWL started. I doubt it has changed since then.

                As for Anonymous. The rule does need to be changed, but I'd go with the first suggestion more than the second. Mouse is indeed unstable, however, yet he did intend to do it. When people are in that state of mind, they do the actions with real intention. Granted, they may reflect back on the suggested action and have regret (which seems to have happened now). There is a big difference between intentional and accidental. The only way it could have been unintentional is if he wanted to axe somebody else right near Eelam's name and accidently clicked on him. Yet the idea that he demoted Eelam all the way to axing him, it shows his intentions. :P Demotions do happen within a squad, yet when it came down to Eelam being all the way demoted from captain then to a regular player, it leaves too much of a coincidence open. You are comparing mouse to a kid, when he's probably a teenager or more. He knows full well what he is doing and was doing, even making a decent squad.

                However, in closing, the rule does need to be changed by the way you brought that issue up.

                :fear:
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                • #9
                  I want Eelam back in TWL. These playoffs are going to suck without Eelam threads.
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                  • #10
                    i have a feeling that not playing isn't going to do much in the way of preventing eelam from posting as if he were Alfred Nobel

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                    • #11
                      It's possible to accidentally deroster somebody. Heck i nearly accidentally dissolved a squad once, which gives just about the same confirmation message.

                      It was a long time ago though, I was leaving a squad that i was captain of, and i have a habit of clicking on whatever program im using just because, i dont know why but ive always done it, but before the page fully loaded i clicked twice, randomly on the page, before there was anything clickable loaded, i clicked twice on the page, and on the second time i happened to click "Dissolve Squad" just as it had loaded, now it was a complete accident but if i wasnt paying any attention i could have just hit the space bar which would have confirmed it, or anything like that, but i caught what i did and did not dissolve the squad.

                      The point of that stupid story was to show how it IS possible, though extremely hard to accidentally de-roster or dissolve a squad.
                      Warning: Disconnected From Server.
                      paralyze> what is this, some sort of gay-out?
                      paralyze> and nice try
                      Sleuth> WTF
                      Sleuth> OK QUIET
                      JuNkA> LOL
                      Sleuth> THOUGHTS COMING
                      Sleuth> SHHH

                      Warning: Disconnected From Server
                      Thoughts> u wish
                      Sleuth> WHAT THE FUCK
                      Vue> LOOL
                      Sleuth> LOLOLOLOL
                      Sleuth> ABBOT IS COMING
                      Sleuth> QUIET

                      Warning: Disconnected from server
                      abbot> ..
                      Thoughts> LMFAO
                      paralyze> ROFL
                      Sleuth> stfu

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                      • #12
                        The rule does need to be changed, why wouldn't we have to let someone play
                        if they leave and re-join the same squad after 24 hours? Wait a sec....
                        it already says that in the rules.. why do I keep thinking of little babies?
                        Just remove the "accidentally" word. Thanks.

                        Oh wait! Don't remove the "accidentally" word or Quicksand might figure out a
                        loop hole! Leave it as it is!
                        Ara / AraGee / Death
                        SSCU Trench Wars Player since 1999
                        SSCU Trench Wars Staff since 2001
                        TWDL, TWL-B, TWL-D, TWL-J, TWDT-J Champion
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                        • #13
                          I guess you got inspired by my posts, no doubt.
                          Winner of TWDL Scrotals
                          Winner of TWT Melee
                          Winner of TWLD -FINAL-

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                          • #14
                            THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!! (my God you people!!)



                            If you had a broken window through wich a bat (a flying mouse PUN INTENDED) flew in, woke you up nibbling on your ear and scared you so hard you wet your socks, after which you'd let out a very very girly high pitch scream, but seconds later realized that the window of that cute little number across the street is lit, and she is staring at you flapping around in your Hello Kitty pjs, leading you to manly crawl to the light switch and flip it on, only to have a major case of bad luck as the lightbulb burned out that second, and the thumping of the bat against the walls and windows only got louder and more agressive so you had to turn on the computer in order to see that goddamn thing, and it landed on the keyboard while you tried to kill it with a feather stuffed pillow and the twd.org page popped up and as you dealt the last killing blow to that winged pest bearer the axing of a teammember occured but, too high on the adrenaline and excitemnet, waving your prey around, you forgot to see what it was all about so you turned off the computer changed your socks and went back to bed happy that infact you actually might turn to a man one day; only then an axing would have been considered an accident. In conclusion, the rule is valid: get axed - get first row tickets.
                            Originally posted by Disliked
                            However, I have a bigger problem, being an atheist for 9 years, most of it during my teenage years I've become a little addicted to masterbation. I've tried to stop and even asked God to help but I'm unable to resist the temptation and it's driving me insane with grief.


                            Originally posted by concealed
                            when i was on incuria i took 40 mgs of adderol like an hour before every match. didnt help me that much :X

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                            • #15
                              LOL

                              no women no cry, no twl no ..
                              Ara / AraGee / Death
                              SSCU Trench Wars Player since 1999
                              SSCU Trench Wars Staff since 2001
                              TWDL, TWL-B, TWL-D, TWL-J, TWDT-J Champion
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