Our LJ invitation

[Confluence]

Say what you want about whining, this was a pathetic staff move.

Fistula had a better rating than multiple squads above them who were accepted into lj and we meet the minimum games required. We were sitting in the number 12 spot at the lock due to qs not playing sufficient games.

Plade was sitting below 1000 pts the day before the lock and never recovered. But thanks to the "Pascone Auto Invitation" they were able to catapult into and lj spot due to being more active in lj. I don't recall activity or perceieved better players ever superceeding the actual ladder.

Nice to see the auto invitation NOT being used for returning playoff teams, but used subjectively to cut off the lower tier teams within a division that actually do qualify.

We didn't expect to win lj, but we earned the right to be there.

Our javs are no better or worse than plades, we proved to be an active squad that has been around for months, we meet the games requirement, and our rating was better than some of those above us on the ladder.

Great abuse.

-Confluence

[Necromotic]

I am in favor of Confluence's favor!

[LaG KiLLeR]

I agree with conf. Why are there rules if you're only going to break them? I don't get this intervention, they met the requirements so they deserve that spot. Then again, staff has always pulled some BS moves so I guess it was only expected.

[Rule]

Say what you want about whining, this was a pathetic staff move.

Fistula had a better rating than multiple squads above them who were accepted into lj and we meet the minimum games required. We were sitting in the number 12 spot at the lock due to qs not playing sufficient games.

Plade was sitting below 1000 pts the day before the lock and never recovered. But thanks to the "Pascone Auto Invitation" they were able to catapult into and lj spot due to being more active in lj. I don't recall activity or perceieved better players ever superceeding the actual ladder.

Nice to see the auto invitation NOT being used for returning playoff teams, but used subjectively to cut off the lower tier teams within a division that actually do qualify.

We didn't expect to win lj, but we earned the right to be there.

Our javs are no better or worse than plades, we proved to be an active squad that has been around for months, we meet the games requirement, and our rating was better than some of those above us on the ladder.

Great abuse.

-Confluence

Agreed. Fistula was sitting in position with enough games played. At the very least staff should have the squads play each other for qualification. Average squad rating & having more games played does not mean much when one squad has been active since June and the other since the last week of September.

[Confluence]

Auto Invitations for playoffs

Since staff has decided to go so far as to tell squads how crappy they are and the outcome of their game before it happens by removing them from leagues they qualified for, then why don't we bypass the rest of the pleasantries and get right to the playoffs and skip the joke that is regular season.

Let me help you out.

TWLD:
Thanks for playing trench wars, but Sage,Hydra,Warpath,Tough,Build,Disolbige,dice,life ban,fistula,thunder,and stray your invites to twl were lost in the mail. Congratulations Style, you win by default of no other squad appearing better than you so they weren't invited to compete.

TWLJ:
Lets just go to semi finals here with Dice, hydra, style, and thunder. Your auto invites are on the way, the rest of you squads can plan for next season. I mean, who are we kidding, you aren't going to win.

TWLB:
Even more clear. Congratulations Dice and Pandora you are auto invited to finals. The rest have been cut.


- God-like staff who decide how good you are


Threads merged -Aquatiq

[Iron]

bad move from mod

[pascone]

I suggest reading the rules. I don't know why it's such a shock that more than one element is taken into consideration when determining the squads to be invited. As I understand, they used to just be picked by staff to compete, which could make things even worse. Oh well, not everyone will ever be happy.

[pascone]

Move on from the games played. It was part of my example. Why should a squad that had 17 points more than another but over 100 less in average opponent rating be invited over the other squads?

[Confluence]

Move on from the games played. It was part of my example. Why should a squad that had 17 points more than another but over 100 less in average opponent rating be invited over the other squads?

Then tell me how you justify squads like mambo and heracy who had lower ratings than we did if I remember right.

Rating wasn't the mechanism you used to do this. You decided that you wanted plade in and then you decided to use us as the scapegoat for it.

I read the rules so don't hide behind your book. They said you needed to have 15 games played and that rating would be taken into consideration. When I checked we had a better rating than about 4 teams above us on the ladder.

Rating should have been good enough then to justify no change for fistula wihout making changes on the squads with lower ratings above us.

[Phiz]

Fistula should be in wtf.

I'd say we have a match between Fistula and Plade, winner gets spot.

[SLaQ n Sauce]

next year pascone will be setting up a paypal account and twl spots can go to the highest bidder. unless he changes his mind last minute.

thanks for making twl a complete fucking joke, newbie.

[Paky]

I too have read the rules, and Pascoon I like you and all, but you made the wrong choice...why should plade and fistula have a match to see who gets invite when Fistula should be in regardless. Plade is a bunch of cockthrowbing little girls who sucked staff off to get their position. I hope they get raped in LJ. Cheers conf

[Weaver]

Personally, I'd rather see squads who are interested in a league get in over a squad who hasn't shown much interest in it. Fistula has 18 JDs since their creation in june, 9 of which were played after the TWL qualification date was announced. You guys were trying to "squeeze" in at the last minute, and I'm not saying that is a bad thing. Plade on the other hand has 59 games in a couple weeks. Sure, they haven't been around long but they are here now and they have been playing a whole lot of JDs, a whole lot more than was required to qualify for TWL.

I have no say in who plays in TWL and who doesn't. I don't have a whole lot of interest in the jav leagues either. From where I stand though, I wouldn't say the decision to invite plade over fistula was a bad one. Pascone did say ratings would be taken into consideration and I don't think he has any reason to favor one squad over another. He made a decision based on what he thought would be best for the league.

If anything, I'd say the rules need to be revised.. not the decision, but thats just my opinion!

[Confluence]

Personally, I'd rather see squads who are interested in a league get in over a squad who hasn't shown much interest in it. Fistula has 18 JDs since their creation in june, 9 of which were played after the TWL qualification date was announced. You guys were trying to "squeeze" in at the last minute, and I'm not saying that is a bad thing. Plade on the other hand has 59 games in a couple weeks. Sure, they haven't been around long but they are here now and they have been playing a whole lot of JDs, a whole lot more than was required to qualify for TWL.

I have no say in who plays in TWL and who doesn't. I don't have a whole lot of interest in the jav leagues either. From where I stand though, I wouldn't say the decision to invite plade over fistula was a bad one. Pascone did say ratings would be taken into consideration and I don't think he has any reason to favor one squad over another. He made a decision based on what he thought would be best for the league.

If anything, I'd say the rules need to be revised.. not the decision, but thats just my opinion!

Lets see some fairness across the boards then. Why is hydra allowed to play in ld instead of QS who have clearly shown to be a much more dedicated warbird squadron than hydra just because QS fell short on the dd ladder just like plade on the jd.

Oh snap, that couldn't happen to hydra...that's Kims squad.

And by weavers logic, we are rewarding new squads for forming 2 weeks and being really active before leagues start over squads that have been established since June. Sounds like a great recipe for a squad that will be forfeiting games in a few weeks. GJ

[Kitty]

I suggest reading the rules. I don't know why it's such a shock that more than one element is taken into consideration when determining the squads to be invited. As I understand, they used to just be picked by staff to compete, which could make things even worse. Oh well, not everyone will ever be happy.

OK, Pascone, let's read the rules. As I see it, there were three parts.

As for qualifying, as there have been many questions about it, the highest points on TWD ladders in each league will be considered.

Fistula was top 12 at ladder lock, so they obviously met this requirement.
Plade, however, was not. They were 14th. So, they did NOT meet this requirement.

You need 15 games PER LEAGUE to be considered.

Both Fistula and Plade had 15 games.

Note, if there is a situation where squads are playing weaker squads to gain points and their average opponent rating reflects this, they may not be invited to TWL.

So basically, if they play crappy squads for points, their average rating should show this and they would not be invited. Fistula, however, has beat Heracy 3 times and Dice twice (says something when only 17 games were played). And, imagine that, they still retain a higher average rating than Plade, Mambo, and Heracy (I'm not sure of the scores at ladder lock, but I can't imagine much deviation). With that, I'm pretty sure it's been established that Fistula met this requirement also.

It appears that the only thing you are holding against them is the fact that they've only played 17 games. If you're going to impose a minimum, stick by it. I understand your trepidations about letting a squad in with few games, but it's apparent you're only bending rules where you see fit because you chose to make them so unclear at the beginning. If squads aren't realistically considered with a low amount of games, then you should have stated that beforehand.