Yeah, sounds all well and good except for 2 major problems. Not enough people would care to even CREATE the TAPS system, nonetheless use it. Second problem: What major decisions have been made that need to be presented to a council in the past 2 months? I don't think that staff makes enough controversial decisions for the TAPS system to be necessary.
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Originally posted by Kim View PostKahlan, this is their direction answer to the recent "controversial" TWL decision, nothing to do with anything else we've done.
I will admit (happily) that the occurrence of "controversial" decisions (whether TWL-related or not) are rather rare, but if the overall community gets involved with at least a part of the decision making process, it will help prevent any future "controversial decisions" and make sure that the zone is being run in the way the population at large would want it to (this is a game, so there is no reason why things should not be done in accordance with that). If anything, a political facet to TW would simply be an extension to the game (as it is, SS is already seen more as a "chat client" with a game on the side).
Originally posted by KolarStaff members are still part of this community, they're only given extra responsibilities and tasks.
I am not saying the current staff system needs to be changed (in fact my original post had nothing to do with that), I just wanted to respond to the statement you made and clarify the alternate view.CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
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Originally posted by Zingy View PostThis is true, however the fact that the general public has no part in choosing the staff members that represent them means that it opens up the possibility of that decisions may be made in which the entire public does not agrees with.
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Originally posted by Kolar...any kind of system that puts staff or the zone in the hands of the general population is a bad idea.
If most civilized countries are willing to put control of the country in the hands of the "general population" (look at the house of representatives in the US, or house of commons in Britain) then why shouldn't the same apply here?
To say that staff rules "by proxy" is similar to the old world monarchy where the king would arbitrarily assign peerage (noble ranks like duke, earl, etc.) for people to govern parts of the kingdom under the king's name.
Anyways, as I said before, the original post did not disagree with the staff system, so I think discussing this is getting off topic. My original post made it clear that staff would STILL have the sole responsibility in running the zone's day-to-day operations and TAPS would only be used in conflicts.
Originally posted by Kolar View PostThat said we are open to ideas, comments and criticisms. My position is to take care of such issues directly or by email (complaints@trenchwars.org). I would suggest if you have a problem appeal to me and the other SMods directly.
This is the whole reason why "Labor Unions" started springing up in the 1900's - power in numbers showing a majority view. Prior to labor unions employers could have dismissed what individual employees argued about (ie. firing anyone who complained or just ignoring them); however, the coming of organized labor unions made it no longer possible for employers to dismiss the complaints that were brought forward by the employees.CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
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Originally posted by ZingyWell, this is a game so why not?
If most civilized countries are willing to put control of the country in the hands of the "general population" (look at the house of representatives in the US, or house of commons in Britain) then why shouldn't the same apply here?
Originally posted by ZingyLet's be realistic Kolar, a few people sending emails to an email address will do nothing to change a situation - it is easy to dismiss any "ideas, comments, or criticisms" that come up. Let's take the present situation as an example: lets pretend 10 people emailed that address and complained - will it have changed anything? I doubt it.
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Kolar is prolly the most upset, by doing TAPS we no longer need him for public relations :P i say continue onDevest.proboards.com
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Well, I see you put a lot of time and thought into this idea, and I appreciate it, really. But, if we were to do something like this, I don't think it has to be as intricate and involved as say a council of 5-7 people (3,4 players, 2,3 staff) who just vote on things.
Our player base isn't big enough to support that much into it. Good idea for next season, perhaps.DELETED
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Trench Wars is not a democracy, and I see no point in a council side stepping Staff's decisions. For better or worse you play the game and accept the decisions that are made.it makes me sick when i think of it, all my heroes could not live with it so i hope you rest in peace cause with us you never did
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Originally posted by WeaverZingy, aside from the recent TWL fiasco, what other events/decisions in the recent past do you think TAPS could have played an important role in?
This is a question that can only be answered if we analyze what role something like TAPS could fill, for example: would TAPS only be used for huge major conflicts, or could it also be used to help in other tasks such as involving the community in refining TWL rules or making other decisions. Without knowing the full extent of power that would be given to TAPS it is difficult to determine if its implementation would be worth its effort.
Originally posted by Cops View PostTrench Wars is not a democracy, and I see no point in a council side stepping Staff's decisions. For better or worse you play the game and accept the decisions that are made.CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
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Do you notice how I separated those words? Good, because there's a huge difference between the two.
I'm a huge promoter of democracy and even I know this is a stupid idea plus it will never work. Don't attack my views on democracy because I think this is a terrible idea, my views on democracy and my views on a Trench Wars Democratic council are completely unrelated.
Coming from someone who was part of staff and has a brother who looks after Public Relations I see no need for there to be an elected representatives for the zone, considering staff's job is for the betterment of the Trench Wars populous and they have a hierarchy of power that makes sure things are run properly. If you want to claim that the person at the top is corrupt (Pure_Luck) then that's another issue, which in my opinion is a null issue considering he's done a decent job running the zone. We have a good group of Smods who investigate all claims of abuse regardless if it's a <ZH>, <ER>, Moderator or even an Smod.Last edited by Cops; 10-09-2007, 12:48 AM.it makes me sick when i think of it, all my heroes could not live with it so i hope you rest in peace cause with us you never did
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Do you notice how I separated those words? Good, because there's a huge difference between the two.
Originally posted by Cops View PostIf you want to claim that the person at the top is corrupt...
The whole point of TAPS was to involve the community more. If you disagree with that, that's fine by me. Things which encourage increased community involvement tend to result in a healthier community. TW asks players to post fliers and advertise the zone, but at the same time how can it not be open to the idea of letting willing (elected by the public) people participate in how decisions are made?
Like I said before, this recent TWL "fiasco" has not affected me so I am not approaching this idea with bias of any sort. In fact, in my original post I specifically said that this is only an initial idea, and that it would need to be significantly refined if it was to ever be implemented.CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
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Normally TWL-Ops would discuss things such as conference setting and other TWL adjustments like spider limit with the caps of all major squads prior to having them implimented. This is essentially the player's vote. We don't need players who aren't participating TWL squads to put in their votes. The captains represent the squad, and the right decision will be made. I am not sure whether or not this was the approach taken by pascone on this particular decision, only he would know.♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫
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