Hi Pascone

[Reaver]

You're afk alot so I'll just ask here. I was told by a member of staff, thats not a TWL op, that we're still doing the conference system, is that true? So Hypothetically say Style ends up with a better record than Plade in LJ and we already beat them in regular season, they'd still go onto playoffs over us?
If this is the case I think we got something that needs to be fixed before next season, though I'd still rather see the pyramid system.

[PH]

there are no conferences, they are only there because the site uses them. it's top 6 overall with normal tiebreaker procedures.

[H.M.S. Stargazer]

You're afk alot so I'll just ask here. I was told by a member of staff, thats not a TWL op, that we're still doing the conference system, is that true? So Hypothetically say Style ends up with a better record than Plade in LJ and we already beat them in regular season, they'd still go onto playoffs over us?
If this is the case I think we got something that needs to be fixed before next season, though I'd still rather see the pyramid system.

TWL Op always wins :>

[Ivan]

there are no conferences, they are only there because the site uses them. it's top 6 overall with normal tiebreaker procedures.

^^^

[Dreamwin]

aww

[eelam <tw>]

re

no conferences reaver dont worry, Pandora will be able to knock you out in quarters just be patient.

[pascone]

yeah it's the same as last year - no conferences, just a bad site

[Reaver]

Alright, I'm usually pretty tolerant cause you're handling many matches here, but what's up with our LD times? We haven't ever gotten a time we wanted for an LD match unless the other team actually accepted ours or we accepted theirs. Every time it's come to the TWL ops setting the time for the match the other team has gotten the time, whether I submitted our time first or the other team did. LD vs Stray, LD vs Thunder, LD vs Dice and I'm wondering what's going to happen in this LD vs diso. Diso actually has a legitimate claim to wanting a later time but that doesn't mean that we should just ignore our players needs. On a side note, what's up with ridiculously early or late times TWL squads want vs us in LD?

I read the rules on this, 7.05 through 7.08, it really comes down to the head TWL op. I asked around and according to everyone I've spoken to it's a one man show when it comes to assigning times. Which I'd be fine with if it didn't feel like we were getting fucked with every time we faced a decent squad. I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm just trying to figure out if this is merely coincidence or if there's some kind of rhyme or reason to this.


Don't bother trying to troll the thread, I don't respond to garbage.

[eelam <tw>]

re

dont whine reaver, deal with it. Pandora never gets the time we want in LB always w/e time the oppenents want unless we agree. Just trying to give other squads the best possible chance they can get i guess... although your squad does suck.

[pascone]

well yeah, it is pretty much a one man show. there are several factors i have to look at.
one - do any other games have only one time requested, because they will
get their time first - automatically.
two - there can only be four games per time slot as we have problems finding enough hosts as many people on staff are also on twl squads
three - after considering those two points, it comes down to filling out the rest of the schedule. often, a lot of the times you want (3pm, 4pm) are the popular times that other squads also pick. thus, i can't put more games in one slot
four - i try to accomadate each squad as much as possible. when i see a squad that has two games in a row and the only other available time is at 5pm and it would be their third game in a row (such as last weekend against dice) it makes a lot of sense to put it there. granted, it probably doesn't for you, but i figure deep squads should be able to get players at anytime.
five - your squad is 9-1... does it really matter when your regular season games are? really.
six - when there are no situations in which three consecutive games could be arranged due to filled time slots, i will put the game at either 1pm or 5pm on sunday because everyone will complain if i were to put their game on a saturday
seven - if there is a situation where the both the time slots are available, i will simply flip a coin after randomly assigning one team's desired time on heads.


hopefully this clears it up

[Scoop]

Reaver I totally proposed a time before you did!

[Scoop]

omg nvm : (

[Reaver]

well yeah, it is pretty much a one man show. there are several factors i have to look at.
one - do any other games have only one time requested, because they will
get their time first - automatically.
two - there can only be four games per time slot as we have problems finding enough hosts as many people on staff are also on twl squads
three - after considering those two points, it comes down to filling out the rest of the schedule. often, a lot of the times you want (3pm, 4pm) are the popular times that other squads also pick. thus, i can't put more games in one slot
four - i try to accomadate each squad as much as possible. when i see a squad that has two games in a row and the only other available time is at 5pm and it would be their third game in a row (such as last weekend against dice) it makes a lot of sense to put it there. granted, it probably doesn't for you, but i figure deep squads should be able to get players at anytime.
five - your squad is 9-1... does it really matter when your regular season games are? really.
six - when there are no situations in which three consecutive games could be arranged due to filled time slots, i will put the game at either 1pm or 5pm on sunday because everyone will complain if i were to put their game on a saturday
seven - if there is a situation where the both the time slots are available, i will simply flip a coin after randomly assigning one team's desired time on heads.


hopefully this clears it up

You're gonna have to elaborate on point one, if I understand what you're saying it doesn't make sense to me.

I understand point two, but keep in mind that if you wait until Friday night to assign a time when two teams haven't agreed on a time, it's going to end up as 1pm or 5pm every time.

Point three, Maybe this is something that needs to be fixed for next season in some rule or maybe staff needs some more hosts.

Point four, Again I'm not sure I follow on this one, if I do then I don't agree so if you could elaborate some more. If I'm understanding you correctly then I think having games back to back is perfectly fine, especially if the squad has depth, now that you mention it.

Point five, man, if that really goes into account on your decision making I think we've got a serious problem here. That shouldn't even register on your radar, whether we're 9-1 or 1-9.

Point six, yep you gotta do what you gotta do. I think staff could get some more hosts for next season to help with this problem.

Point seven, well I'm not calling bullshit, but if what all you said is true we're just pretty unlucky, which I'm not ruling out here.


Thanks for taking time to explain your decisions, maybe you could elaborate on some of those points and justify point five.

[Jeenyuss]

point one doesn't always work out then? i'm fairly certain we've asked for a time before and the other team hasn't responded and we've gotten a time that didn't match up with our request.

[pascone]

You're gonna have to elaborate on point one, if I understand what you're saying it doesn't make sense to me.

I understand point two, but keep in mind that if you wait until Friday night to assign a time when two teams haven't agreed on a time, it's going to end up as 1pm or 5pm every time.

Point three, Maybe this is something that needs to be fixed for next season in some rule or maybe staff needs some more hosts.

Point four, Again I'm not sure I follow on this one, if I do then I don't agree so if you could elaborate some more. If I'm understanding you correctly then I think having games back to back is perfectly fine, especially if the squad has depth, now that you mention it.

Point five, man, if that really goes into account on your decision making I think we've got a serious problem here. That shouldn't even register on your radar, whether we're 9-1 or 1-9.

Point six, yep you gotta do what you gotta do. I think staff could get some more hosts for next season to help with this problem.

Point seven, well I'm not calling bullshit, but if what all you said is true we're just pretty unlucky, which I'm not ruling out here.


Thanks for taking time to explain your decisions, maybe you could elaborate on some of those points and justify point five.

1. well if you asked for 3pm and they asked for 2pm or something, and if both were still open, i gotta check all the other games: ld/lj/lb. if an lb game has only one requested time, say 3pm, they will get that time. same thing if an lj team only has one time there, they get their time automatically. those situations are of highest priority.
2. i did forget last thursday to do the times. every other week i have fixed the times on thursday, and will again this week.
3. i think it's been long established and agreed on by everyone that we need more er's. also, it is somewhat like this so more people can watch the games instead of all of them being at one time. these games do get large spectators at the games, especially the great matchups, so i have no problem having less games at each hour.
4. by that i meant squads that have games in each league (which i realize your squad does as well). again, i don't think there have actually been situations this year that i was able to flip a coin between your time and the other squad's requested time. there just aren't enough time slots and usually the one(s) you and them request are filled, unless they happen to request 1 or 5, then it looks like them getting their time, but is more that the other times were filled.
5. (shoulda said player opinion, not twl op opinion) i mentioned this simply because if my squad was 9-1 with the only loss being a 50-49 loss, there is no way i would be complaining. what difference would it actually make if your twld game was at 3 or 5. perhaps it effects your life somewhat, but that's why you have more than 5 people on your roster. again, this was not a legitimate point, just saying again, if my squad was 9-1, i would have nothing to complain about.
6. again, it's not all about hosts, but it is a lot of the problem. it doesn't seem like it's as big a problem as it was last year, but we changed it based on how it was going last year. there were several weekends where we had people hosting multiple games. we can't have that. but yeah, we do need more hosts
7. again like i said, i don't remember a situation where both your squad and the other wanted strictly 2, 3, or 4pm sunday games and nothing else. so while it looks like the other squad is favored, it's simply because the other times are filled and there isn't really an opportunity for a coin flip. this is really just used for the saturday vs sunday situations.

when i pick the times for squads that couldn't agree, i click each game, look at the times each requested. i don't write down what squad is playing who, or even what league it is. it's as unbiased as possible. but of course, from your view, it does look like i'm out to get you. if only you could see all the other negotiations it would probably be clearer