Staff killing our bds over point feeding? So whats this then?

[Mela]

This would have been more helpful if you had complained about it, say, 2 weeks ago. I realize people were stressed about qualifying but getting angry about it a mere hour before the deadline doesnt solve anything. (that last part is not addressed to you, mela). I picked the time because it happened to occur an hour after I got home from work. I didnt want to wait until the weekend because I wanted to get TWDC goin. There's your reason. I'm sorry it was so inconvenient for you, but it would have helped you guys a lot more to say something 2 weeks ago.

Yeah I know I should've done that :P. But tbh I didn't really care about the deadline untill the day it was supposed to be.

[PH]

Being a nice guy, I pm paky dude and promise we'll make it 3 if they'd just bd us now (obviously we were going to break that promise, sorry paky.)

you seem like a very honorable person and i am so sorry for your troubles!!!

[Noah]

Note: I somewhat agree that it MIGHT have looked like laser was throwing it for us. But the fact that plob#f just comes in and kills the game without talking to either of the captains really pisses me off.

I logged on about 10 seconds before I went into your arena and made the call. We got a squadmessage that something was going on in twbd, and that we needed to take a look at it. When I went in there were already plenty of speccers saying that this was just too obviously feeding. I made staff aware of what was going on, and they quickly made the same assumption (and the right one) as the rest of us. There weren't really anything the caps of either squad could have said that would change the situation, and that's probably why plob just killed the game. The caps of both team would have denied this even if it was intentional feeding or not, and plob would have gotten the same answers anyway from talking to you: "No nothing illegal is going on here".

There is no reasonable way to prove that something illegal was actually happening here, but still this is something that needs staff attention when it happens. The only thing that can be used to make a decision like this is the context of what is happening, and it couldn't have been clearer than this. I'll never know if you guys are telling the truth or not, there is no proof either way. I can't really think of a setting someone from staff could have a more valid reason to kill a game for this reason. You just needed a few points to get into TWLB, and out of the blue another squad with 1000 points decides to throw you a game.

[Mela]

I made staff aware of what was going on, and they quickly made the same assumption (and the right one) as the rest of us.[

So they made the decision quickly.. without actually thinking about what is going on, they made the decision because someone from disoblige said that we were being fed.. mmkay.

there is no proof either way.

re: the BD versus us...

We accepted it for fun but then when we got a JD at the same time everyone decided to leave (because we were actually trying to get into LJ). Sorry about that.

Wow, he killed that game? We needed to qualify for TWD Cup so we had to jd and forfeit... No way that game should've been killed, that was my squad's fault. It was obvious we weren't throwing it for you... that's dick

laser's terrier (DAWK) who is still in the arena, says that their assistant (DARULER) found a jd and that's why everyone left.

You just needed a few points to get into TWLB, and out of the blue another squad with 1000 points decides to throw you a game.

So we're looking for bd, but nobody wants one because either they dont have enough players or they just want to protect their # on ladder.

While looking for bd, paradise spams the shit out of our # chat begging for jd. We promise to jd them (note: not throw, because we're also trying to qualify for twlj) if they bd us first.

We are still waiting for an apology from staff (plob#f), and an invite to twlb.

[Zizu]

what squad can i join if sage doesn't make it? :<< i'm pretty awfull in every ship but a neat guy!! ofc stomping bc is no problem

please lets make a 10 page thread out of this. oh the vanity.

[MirrorriM]

Whether or not the game was purposely fed or accidentally fed, the point remains that TWL qualifications were only a few hrs away from ending, and if this game had remained, it would give an unfair advantage. Dice and HEAVY told me nearly the same kind of story and how it wasnt purposeful. I also told them the same thing when I had their games voided.

[Salubrious]

Even if they weren't simply "throwing" the game for you, having all their players leave and giving you a free forfeit win because they don't care enough is still feeding.

[Mela]

TWL qualifications were only a few hrs away from ending, and if this game had remained, it would give an unfair advantage.

Unfair advantage? Most of us were Euros spending our night time trying to get us enough points to qualify to twlb. So you're saying it would be unfair towards disoblige and mainliner who might not have people staying up so late and secure them a spot in twlb?

Only way this would be "unfair" is if we took a game on the last minute before the deadline and won it.

[HandofDeath]

My perspective is -- if you deserve to be in TWLB, you will be able to win the TWDC-B. So in a sense, the initial qualifications shouldn't matter. Good luck to all parties involved!

[MirrorriM]

Unfair advantage? Most of us were Euros spending our night time trying to get us enough points to qualify to twlb. So you're saying it would be unfair towards disoblige and mainliner who might not have people staying up so late and secure them a spot in twlb?

Only way this would be "unfair" is if we took a game on the last minute before the deadline and won it.

Like Salubrious mentioned, I'd be angrier about not securing my place on the ladder sooner rather than about not getting a free win in order to qualify.

[Spikester]

Like Salubrious mentioned, I'd be angrier about not securing my place on the ladder sooner rather than about not getting a free win in order to qualify.

It's different though, the reason you call it a free win is because we were kicking their asses bad and they got bored of it (they're a jd squad). I really don't see how us dominating that game hardcore was a free win GIVEN to us. Weird logic.

[Lag.Com]

Sigh I wish we hadn't had to leave that game... we were snatching any chance we could get to JD at the time, paradise (I think?) only accepted the BD because we were convinced nobody was going to play us.

We hadn't intended to feed, but that is how it turned out.

[Zerzera]

You should get your assignment ready long before the deadline, so you didn't have enough points a few hours before the deadline, you could have played those games you needed a week ago.

[Capital Knockers]

I don't get it. You gave punishments to squads, that aren't going to have any real affect on them - when they were ACTUALLY feeding. Yet Sage gets fucked over by Laser (which has members fully admitting they weren't feeding, they just left for a jd) and you're busting Sage? Thats a real load of bs right there Mirr, you've been doing an awesome job, please continue and put this situation right. Sage willingly accepted the bd, desperately looking to qualify, and they got one. Laser found a jd for the same reason and peaced. Why in the world would Laser even play any of the bd if they were just feeding? Why would they play the first few minutes and peace? If they were trying to HIDE the fact that they were feeding they would of played it out longer. It's complete common sense and logic - and you've got both squads on the same page and in complete agreement. Sage should qualify, plob is on my squad and an awesome dude, but even I agree he had no right to kill a game and void it just because someone on Diso shouts ' YO their cheating! '

Sage in twl-b. Or this is going to be an ugly smear on you as a TWL-Op. Not trying to be an asshole here, just stating the obvious. Oh and as for the Europeans no bringing the times to your attention earlier - they did. They just weren't from Sage. I'm pretty sure Da1andonly brought it up as soon as you made the TWDCup Thread did he not? I could be wrong on the dates, but I'm pretty damn sure the timing issue was questioned by at least ONE euro with enough time to consider it.

I wouldn't normally care, but Sage is an ex-squad of mine. Was with them when they were Sage the first time, then when they were Passion, then Sage again... back and forth several times. They're an awesome crew of guys, and they aren't liars or cheats at all. While I'm pretty confident they can win the TWDBC or whatever anyways - they don't have to. They qualified. Plain and Simple, by the rules. It isn't their fault Laser agreed to play and fucked off. It isn't their fault that staff voided the game without even talking to the captains or investigating the situation beforehand (plob if im wrong feel free to give me the smackdown). They made LB, can we fix this and not ignore it and just try sweeping it under the rug please? Do whats right.

AGAIN - Why don't you but bans on the assistants that were responisble? In both the dicE situation and maybe even the Laser guys that accepted and then fucked off. You're punishments are completely disproportionate and useless to the people who ACTUALLY knowingly cheated - but to the victims, it might actually force them out of a league. Punish the assistant on Laser who took the match and fucked off, the people on Laser who left the game. Punish the people on dicE or HEAVY that knowingly accepted feeding matches. Punishing whole squads isn't right, what about the people who aren't even online to represent themselves at the time? Don't give mediocare punishments to an entire squad, ban the idiots that caused the problem. Forget being nice, ban the people who caused the problem.

[Capital Knockers]

So they made the decision quickly.. without actually thinking about what is going on, they made the decision because someone from disoblige said that we were being fed.. mmkay.






We are still waiting for an apology from staff (plob#f), and an invite to twlb.

That post should be all you need.

hah, but you know, with the quotes actually in there, scroll on up.