TWL Week 1 : Hot or Not

[Da1andonly]

People seem to have forgotten that the connections have been improved by quite a bit since the days of when the server was in Finland.

[PH]

Dwopple
LOLZ

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: N/A
Squad: dicE

yo dwop change ur squad u fuk dont want some kinda misrep on dice bc of this shit..

yeah dwopple, stop dragging dice's name through the mud. downfall is already doing a fine job of that.

[Exalt]

I like how you contradict yourself there. You claim to have seen the entire match, and that you saw that my lagouts led to +1s. I never got a +1, which you can see if you look up the game. When you prove that you didn't really pay attention to the game I can't give a fuck what you say about our warbirds.

I did see the entire match, as did Weak. We wrote the HoN section about sake vs disoblige game. You did not +1, I said that as a general statement... displaced had +1s, its the same thing, neither of you would have changed the game enough to win it, you have bad players on your squad

When BrokenFist manages to stay in because he has a stable, but laggy connection in TWL, he'll stay in TWD if you lower the limits. This proves that this limit isn't working, and that you again don't really know what the fuck you are talking about.

Brokenfist actually lags out alot in TWD games already, he just managed to stabalize his lag for once for TWL, which was pretty fishy... apparently when there are mods watching him his lag is stable and he does not eat, and when mods are not watching him he is not stable and eats nonstop... but of course your squad isn't smart enough to notice things like that

Did you know that we are an European squad, and because of that most of our members sadly lives very far away from the server. You can't blame us for living far away from you, and you can't blame us for the natural increase in lag due to the distance. If you want to accuse us of recruiting laggy players on purpose, I'll let that rest on its own unreasonability, because that's just another nobody screaming "lag lag".

Actually I CAN blame you for natural lag because of the distance, because all of us Western Hemisphere players had to deal with the same things when server was in Finland. We didn't lag out. You do. Fix your connection and stop pulling the plug.

Again, as the point you see in players like Daldur, they lag alot visually but they stay within the limits. If you had 300ms you would probably be one of them. The case here is that this limits doesn't take out those it should, but it affects those who shouldn't be lagged out. My 25ms average lag spike isn't automatically a visual lag and a advantage/disadvantage for me. The only ones that tells me I lag are those like yourself who shouts "noob" and "laggot" at everyone else.

Actually the ones that tell you that you lag are the ones that know what to look for, since players like me had to deal with it for years when server was in Finland. A lot of times I could not play due to lag actually. If you notice your lag sucks, don't play. Simple. Crying that the lag limits should all be less strict is retarded, because TWL would turn into a lag fest then. I suppose that's exactly what you want, however.

[Cig Smoke]

Dwopple
LOLZ

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: N/A
Squad: dicE

yo dwop change ur squad u fuk dont want some kinda misrep on dice bc of this shit..

[paradise!]

word on the streets says daldur has 2 kangaroos play his lb matchs, while he himself relays his computers internet packets to and from.

[Noah]

I saw your entire game... the outcome would not have changed one bit beside maybe a kill or two on disobliges part, or an extra kill on sakes part for killing you and taking deaths instead of you getting +1s for them... but the outcome would not have changed, you got outclassed in every way possible... lag outs are not the issue for disoblige in regards to winning games

I like how you contradict yourself there. You claim to have seen the entire match, and that you saw that my lagouts led to +1s. I never got a +1, which you can see if you look up the game. When you prove that you didn't really pay attention to the game I can't give a fuck what you say about our warbirds.

Edit: also, your playerbase is full of laggots and thats your problem, you knew from the get go that most of the players you have in your lineup eat nonstop and generally lag like shit... TWD has a lower lag limit true, but that doesn't make it any better.... go ahead and make it stricter on TWD i hope you do, that way you won't see players like brokenfist ever again until they decide to upgrade their modem and/or stop pulling the plug...

When BrokenFist manages to stay in because he has a stable, but laggy connection in TWL, he'll stay in TWD if you lower the limits. This proves that this limit isn't working, and that you again don't really know what the fuck you are talking about.

if you want to not lag out then find players that aren't so laggy... which your squad relies on because your offseason pickups consist of well known laggots like brokenfist, you obviously cannot beat the system anymore and are crying about it now

Did you know that we are an European squad, and because of that most of our members sadly lives very far away from the server. You can't blame us for living far away from you, and you can't blame us for the natural increase in lag due to the distance. If you want to accuse us of recruiting laggy players on purpose, I'll let that rest on its own unreasonability, because that's just another nobody screaming "lag lag".

Also, a 300 ms player CAN play in TWL easily. I did it for years with 56k, as did the rest of us when server was in Finland. Your problem is lag spikes, which usually occur because of things like downloading porn, spyware, pulling the plug, etc etc. If you have steady ploss but have high MS you can still play TWL. Stop arguing a lost cause and find players that don't lag cheat.

Again, as the point you see in players like Daldur, they lag alot visually but they stay within the limits. If you had 300ms you would probably be one of them. The case here is that this limits doesn't take out those it should, but it affects those who shouldn't be lagged out. My 25ms average lag spike isn't automatically a visual lag and a advantage/disadvantage for me. The only ones that tells me I lag are those like yourself who shouts "noob" and "laggot" at everyone else.

[Exalt]

If lag limits are just fine then I shouldn't have been specced in the TWL game. Being a lagger is one thing that has never been said about me, because I always make sure I get the best connection possible. I do understand that 90% of the community lacks the insight to do anything just because they have no problems themselves. Both me and Venomarse was completely caught offguard by the lagouts, and that played a big part in the final score in our LD (Sake played well, it would be very hard to win anyway, but we'd do much better if it wasn't for those lagouts). Like paska pointed out, the difference in the spike limit between TWD and TWL should not have such a huge impact on TWL games as it currently has. If you're not going to change the limit, then reduce it on TWD as well. Atleast then we can see who can play TWL or not. Right now it doesn't matter to me if you remove my possibility of playing TWD either.

I challenge anyone who supports this 15ms average lag spike limit to explain what this exactly means, and why 15 is the ideal limit. If you have some technical insight on how this is ideal, then please share that with us so we can end this discussion.

I saw your entire game... the outcome would not have changed one bit beside maybe a kill or two on disobliges part, or an extra kill on sakes part for killing you and taking deaths instead of you getting +1s for them... but the outcome would not have changed, you got outclassed in every way possible... lag outs are not the issue for disoblige in regards to winning games

Edit: also, your playerbase is full of laggots and thats your problem, you knew from the get go that most of the players you have in your lineup eat nonstop and generally lag like shit... TWD has a lower lag limit true, but that doesn't make it any better.... go ahead and make it stricter on TWD i hope you do, that way you won't see players like brokenfist ever again until they decide to upgrade their modem and/or stop pulling the plug...

if you want to not lag out then find players that aren't so laggy... which your squad relies on because your offseason pickups consist of well known laggots like brokenfist, you obviously cannot beat the system anymore and are crying about it now

Also, a 300 ms player CAN play in TWL easily. I did it for years with 56k, as did the rest of us when server was in Finland. Your problem is lag spikes, which usually occur because of things like downloading porn, spyware, pulling the plug, etc etc. If you have steady ploss but have high MS you can still play TWL. Stop arguing a lost cause and find players that don't lag cheat.

[fLaReD]

hey wang

[Deverse]

Cig, throw us the match. Gotta get us off that Not section omgomgomgomgmg

P.S. JEENYUSS I SEE YOU ON FORUMS. Nowhere to be found in game. Thanks.

[Jeenyuss]

i am quite sad/

[Cig Smoke]

Dice will be bak this weekend when i return to the pitch

[Capital Knockers]

why? because i tell the truth? so you don't get mad when some laggy ass like dald is only good because he can lag through everything and screw up your cram?

i fail to see how lag should be rewarded in base unlike the other two dueling leagues.... at least in jav and wb if u lag too much and lagout 3 times you get +1 each time and finally cannot !lagout anymore, in base its like a laggots paradise, lag through everything and kill a cram either be it a jav bomb or a shark not dying or a spider going balistic... either way lag is rewarded and good in base which is stupid...

there should be an actual punishment... and if you dont agree then you are obviously one of the laggy ones then cuz no one likes laggots

Exalt, you're really off here man so lemme break it down for you. Basing is alot different than dueling. It's a clusterfuck first of all, alot of ships constantly in close quarters. You've got reps, bursts, mines, javbombs, fucking lancs or birds, portals. There are alot more things that lag can affect, and ALOT more things that can cause lag. Duelings is 5v5, less people, less shots fired, 1 type of ship. It's alot easier to say +1 death if they lagout too - and if you knew much about basing, you'd know that when you lagout, you have to wait 15 seconds to get back in. Which may seem silly to you, but if you're holding a cram, and your shark lags out, well there goes the cram and maybe the terr.

There needs to be higher lag limits in base in comparison to dueling. It's simple math, more people are playing, closer, and with more variables. So people that keep going "fu laggy euros eat shit" obviously don't remember what it was like when the server was in Finland, and alot of people who have fine lag atm due to living in this part of the world, were arguing the same way the euros are now. So, I'm sorry to say, alot of North Americans don't know what the fuck they are talking about here, and should bow their heads and queitly walk away. The lag limits, spike limit, i dont know what - but something needs to be adjusted a bit for TWL lag limits. Basers (just like good wbs and javs) know how to play with/against some lag. I think we should be listing the people that are lagging out that weren't previously considered laggy - and then have the community take a look and decide whether or not things are too harsh. I'd rather play against some lag, rather than never know who's getting specced, on my team or the other.

When almost every single game in twl is suffering lagouts, isn't that a sign that maybe we need to tinker around with the limits a little more? Not just some lagouts either, alot, way more than anyone wants.

[Stabwound]

So, dald couldn't stay in and was subbed?

Glad to see that part of the bots is working right. :fear:

[Salubrious]

I agree. During a LB match, when a ship lags out, they should also get +1 death. It will solve everything.

[Exalt]

lmao paulo

ps exalt ur an idiot..

why? because i tell the truth? so you don't get mad when some laggy ass like dald is only good because he can lag through everything and screw up your cram?

i fail to see how lag should be rewarded in base unlike the other two dueling leagues.... at least in jav and wb if u lag too much and lagout 3 times you get +1 each time and finally cannot !lagout anymore, in base its like a laggots paradise, lag through everything and kill a cram either be it a jav bomb or a shark not dying or a spider going balistic... either way lag is rewarded and good in base which is stupid...

there should be an actual punishment... and if you dont agree then you are obviously one of the laggy ones then cuz no one likes laggots