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  • #31
    Originally posted by kthx View Post
    The biggest problem with TWL is the fact that there are a few TWL ops, most of which have no clue about the league they are trying to run, haven't played in the ship in games they are trying to host, and are otherwise clueless about the importance of TWL as seen with the huge amount of people actually considering allowing Distension to be hosted as a precursor to TWL even with the (still ongoing) large amount of crashes it causes. The solution to this problem doesn't have to do with finding better hosts and twl ops though honestly, because the best option for twl ops unfortunately are staffers who actually play the leagues and have for several years.

    What needs to happen is for a completely new system of TWL management that adds more glamor and prestige to being a captain of a squad that is in TWL. Basically instead of having a few ops decide appeals or pass judgement on games there should be a committee of squad captains, perhaps two from each squad that is participating in TWL that decides on what happens during the league. So if there are 8 squads playing TWLD, and there are two squads involved in an appeal than that means there are 12 other captains who would make the decision instead of (no offense) Stargazer, Mirrorrim, and Pure_Luck (who actually has taken a pretty active approach to his position this year).

    I don't think that the calls would be any more biased than they are right now with staff making decisions, I don't see how the leagues could really get much worse, and if things turn out terrible then the captains themselves deserve and receive the blame for letting things get that way instead of staff. So basically put the pressure on the people who are sitting here whining about the league being bad by making them the true "ops" for TWL.

    As far as the people hosting the games it isn't always their fault that they don't know anything about the league they are hosting in, TWL needs hosts and these are the people willing to spend their time doing it. However it isn't always good for the game itself when they don't know about the league they are hosting, so basically my idea would be to once again use the captains as the eyes and ears for the host himself, allow two captains who have the time and are willing to watch the game to sit on on a seperate frequency with the host and let him know if something is fishy, and even help explain certain things to him should the need arise. It is only through captain interaction with staff that a great TWL season will happen, because basically without each other the league is useless.


    --

    On a side note, I would like every squad that is considered good to pick up a few rookies this season, for as much as we cry about lack of competition we surely aren't doing much to fucking help it, were just sitting with our thumbs up our asses while the game dies and we aren't replacing the good players who leave with any fresh players. Quicksand has recruited a few mediocre warbirds whom we think have talent and get along with our players, and I think every other squad should also. It is just really time that we stop bitching and moaning with the way the zone is heading because it isn't all staffs fault, we have all become so egotistical that we refuse to play with anyone who can't go even or positive every game when we ourselves were there at one point and someone gave us a chance. So heres our chance, if we have 25 squads in TWL next season, lets bring 75 new players with us, even if they don't play in TWL they will get better throughout the season.
    That was beautiful

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    • #32
      One last thing:

      If you don't want to recruit someone to your squad because he still isn't even that mediocre skill level you want on your squad, or for whatever reason but you can tell he has talent. Try to help him off the terrible squad he happens to be on and get him on a better mid-level or lower-level squad, most of the players on our level have some sway with most of the lower tiered squads because we are good, so if you notice someone pretty decent, who is obviously not going to get better on lets say.. NC17, try to help him to get on Choleric, or Serenity, or Savanger (in dd) who at least have captains who know HOW to play and WHAT to do but just aren't good enough to do it. Within six months we can have an entire new generation of middle-class players, and within two years we can have some new TWL squads instead of the same old stale players who every year are in TWL.

      I might say EZ to a squad in public even its a newer squad, but if I notice someone who hits some good rushes, or makes some good dodges, or really really plays well with his team by getting vulches or stopping a rush you can be sure I will PM him and tell him hes playing well, and offer to help him get on a squad where he can actually become good.
      Rabble Rabble Rabble

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      • #33
        Originally posted by ignite ignite View Post
        Good job, keep encouraging and understaffed, undertrained, and underprepared TWL staff. That kind of celebration of mediocrity is why Thunder didn't make it to the TWLB finals.
        How does one become a man child such as yourself?

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        • #34
          i kinda jumped around the last couple posts, but an argument was towards the site

          the site was never finished. mirror started twl knowing full well the site wasn't finished because that's what the players wanted. they wanted twl since this one started like a month or 2 later than the other one started.
          violence> dont talk 2 me until u got 900+fbook friends and can take 1 dribble from the 3 point line n dunk


          [Aug 23 03:03] Oops: 1:siaxis> you try thta ill play possom then reverse roundhouse kick your life
          [Aug 23 03:20] money: LOL NOT QUITE VIO BUT 5:siaxis> you try thta ill play possom then reverse roundhouse kick your life

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          • #35
            Originally posted by ignite ignite View Post
            Moving on... The Quake vs Pirates match. Now as we were adding everyone in the beginning we saw "Raspi is out 0-1, scoop is out 0-1" obviously the settings of the bot or whatever hadn't be readjusted, Pure_Luck, had left the arena and was warming up for his LB in ?go twbd. No staff member fixed it and as a result we saw a HUGE ERROR in the game in which when Hercules tried to sub himself back in the bot recalculated his previous death and kill total and added that to the 2-7, knocking him out immediately. When this occured in the match Quake had about a 10 point lead and was in control of the game, and well on our way to a decisive victory.
            When pirates vs. quake game started, there was a Robobot in the arena that had settings turned on for speccing people when they get 1 death. BUT, it had nothing to do with Hercules being specced after getting subbed back in.

            There is a bug in the TWLbot/Matchbots that if player gets subbed out and subbed back in, bot gives only 1 death for the player. I dont know why that bug is in there, i dont create bots. Perhaps no one really talked to a right person about it.

            Not every TWL weekend can be amazing and great, we are all just humans. Staff aren't robots, we do make mistakes sometimes. Yet still you guys only see the bad things and not those good things that we do for you. Some people are really nice and thank us if we do something good for them but most are just "w/e" and go away without thanking at all.
            SSCU Trench Wars Staff:
            Local Bang Op -> Retired

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            • #36
              Entitlement Mentality

              Excellent point made by Jones. Thank you...
              Originally posted by Connection View Post

              There is a bug in the TWLbot/Matchbots that if player gets subbed out and subbed back in, bot gives only 1 death for the player. I dont know why that bug is in there, i dont create bots. Perhaps no one really talked to a right person about it.
              .
              As for the bug, well then I'm going to take issue as to why staff didn't make Captains fully aware of this bug that gives only 1 death for a player that has been subbed out already.

              Instead of everyone kissing staff by the ass and saying "thank you, thank you" let's actually accomplish something through constructive criticism. No one thanks the TWL squad captains who run squads for years at length instead of a TWL season, which I promise is more time consuming and difficult than any TWL job... And I don't go around begging for praise and whining about the underappreciation of people like Ravage, Ease, Hercules, the Disoblige captains, any any long-standing squad still out there...

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              • #37
                Originally posted by ignite ignite View Post
                As for the bug, well then I'm going to take issue as to why staff didn't make Captains fully aware of this bug that gives only 1 death for a player that has been subbed out already.
                TW staff didnt know that the bug is in TWLbots too. It's sad that it happened now but there's nothing we can do about it anymore, it's history. We can always blame staff and argue if we are doing good job or not. We are doing things as good as we can, some people like it and some people dont. There are always negative guys out there...
                SSCU Trench Wars Staff:
                Local Bang Op -> Retired

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                • #38
                  i didn't know the bot did that. seeing as other squads have done it before, i never saw it happen.
                  violence> dont talk 2 me until u got 900+fbook friends and can take 1 dribble from the 3 point line n dunk


                  [Aug 23 03:03] Oops: 1:siaxis> you try thta ill play possom then reverse roundhouse kick your life
                  [Aug 23 03:20] money: LOL NOT QUITE VIO BUT 5:siaxis> you try thta ill play possom then reverse roundhouse kick your life

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by kthx View Post
                    On a side note, I would like every squad that is considered good to pick up a few rookies this season, for as much as we cry about lack of competition we surely aren't doing much to fucking help it, were just sitting with our thumbs up our asses while the game dies and we aren't replacing the good players who leave with any fresh players. Quicksand has recruited a few mediocre warbirds whom we think have talent and get along with our players, and I think every other squad should also. It is just really time that we stop bitching and moaning with the way the zone is heading because it isn't all staffs fault, we have all become so egotistical that we refuse to play with anyone who can't go even or positive every game when we ourselves were there at one point and someone gave us a chance. So heres our chance, if we have 25 squads in TWL next season, lets bring 75 new players with us, even if they don't play in TWL they will get better throughout the season.
                    I couldn't agree more with this. It's easy for squads to dip into the "rusty vet" pool because these players are a safe bet to play well with enough practice. But in many cases it can take less time to recruit a "young" elim or pub player who has the basics down and train them into a solid league player.

                    If Incognito and Disqualifier hadn't noticed me playing in a pub arena 10 years ago, I never would have joined -Final- or probably any squad for that matter.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Eric is God View Post
                      I couldn't agree more with this. It's easy for squads to dip into the "rusty vet" pool because these players are a safe bet to play well with enough practice. But in many cases it can take less time to recruit a "young" elim or pub player who has the basics down and train them into a solid league player.

                      If Incognito and Disqualifier hadn't noticed me playing in a pub arena 10 years ago, I never would have joined -Final- or probably any squad for that matter.
                      They recruited you from pub? Sweet jesus, you must have really impressed them. How many levi's did you slay? lol ; )
                      RaCka> how can i get you here
                      death row> well basically im holdin off cuz i jus joined sweet. so its not u, its me
                      RaCka> YOU'RE DUMPING ME?!?!?!?
                      death row> LOL I KNOW I JUS READ THAT LINE AGAIN

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by death row View Post
                        They recruited you from pub? Sweet jesus, you must have really impressed them. How many levi's did you slay? lol ; )
                        Many thousands I'm sure, but my specialty was hunting levterrs I didn't even know there was an elim arena before I joined -Final- and I remember thinking Paladen must have been the best squad in TW because their players always dominated pubs.

                        So there are obviously lots of goofs with dumb names (like mine) who only need an opportunity and some training to help sustain and grow TWL.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Eric is God View Post
                          Many thousands I'm sure, but my specialty was hunting levterrs I didn't even know there was an elim arena before I joined -Final- and I remember thinking Paladen must have been the best squad in TW because their players always dominated pubs.

                          So there are obviously lots of goofs with dumb names (like mine) who only need an opportunity and some training to help sustain and grow TWL.
                          You remember those old school elims? With Nemo. hiding behind the little wall in the middle of the arena. Never leaving that spot with newbies chasing him lol.
                          RaCka> how can i get you here
                          death row> well basically im holdin off cuz i jus joined sweet. so its not u, its me
                          RaCka> YOU'RE DUMPING ME?!?!?!?
                          death row> LOL I KNOW I JUS READ THAT LINE AGAIN

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                          • #43
                            k lets change the direction of this thread to vet squads picking up random newbies who are active. Instead of just stealing the best player from a lower squad which is killing that squad. There are lotta squadless people just constantly playing elim, pub, or tourny.
                            1:CrazyKillah> oder if i olny knew u irl u would be dead and i would be in jail

                            menomena> did you get to see the end of the steelers greenbay game though
                            JAMAL> yeah you dumb fat faggot, was good ending

                            1:Cape> Why did u axe req
                            1:cripple> I'm very religious, and my new years revolution was to make this squad a better one, so I kept with my resolution and axed req.
                            http://big-dicked.mybrute.com/

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Downfall View Post
                              k lets change the direction of this thread to vet squads picking up random newbies who are active. Instead of just stealing the best player from a lower squad which is killing that squad. There are lotta squadless people just constantly playing elim, pub, or tourny.
                              okay, I recruited Mr Yuk.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Jones View Post
                                The website is the biggest dissapointment this season though, it is still incredibly awkward to navigate with, there arent enough links that can take me to my squads games or my own statistics from Sweet roster. I will simply label the site as half-way done, and we're already having finals this week.

                                Again, don't take this the wrong way, Rii and others, I am very grateful for this and I would lend a hand in the development if my PHP skills weren't so incredibly close to zero.
                                Your at least giving some constructive criticism Jones.

                                I'll be honest with you, Flab and i did our best after finding that there was no point in salvaging the old TWL site (broken code and structure, along with security issues like TWD's which we found out later) so we were faced with writing it all from scratch again.

                                We dove in to it head strong and did as much as we could in our free time putting aside other things we were doing. I personally stopped playing TW completely for (5?) months and even worked on the website from my job (unknowingly to my bosses, they thought it was their site) to try get as much done as possible and fix issues that arose...

                                Now even though Flab and I started out strong our determination and motivation diminished as TWL went on... Mainly cos we got shat on for trying to salavge and build the site into something usable. I even got so fed up with those that bitched for the sake of bitching (and not helping in anyway shape for form) that I had a few rants on this forum.

                                Sure ppl liked what we had on the old site, but truth was half the shit didn't work on that unmaintained site. The only admin part of it that worked was adding rounds and games... And for the players you had On the Move and Game/player profiles...

                                Im not super human, i did try...
                                I seriously spent 80% of my day/time working on that site and its backend stuff to get it working as much as possible...
                                Not many it would seem appreciated the fact that we were working on making it as best as we possibly could (proberly because they don't know or understand how much time and effort HTML/CSS/PHP/Database stuff can take to get things right) and how much of our time we dedicated to it.

                                Id nominate an award to the Flabby for dropping his other projects (RE: SubSpace2) to help me and the shitloads of work that he did while i had to deal with other zone issues also.

                                But to get to the point, the aholes that complained only made things worse as it really demoralised those working towards making TWL work (including OPs, i don't envy Mirrorrim and the sexist shit she had to deal with or anyone as Head TWL op for that matter). I'll agree that the site isn't done/is half arsed but i think we achived alot from the time when TWL started until now. And player feedback on things we developed as we went helped alot in fine tuning things as best we could...

                                Now we have to get the motivation back and work on finishing and improving it for next season so there is everything that people want.
                                And that there is more linkage to various pages/results etc...

                                So that next time round we don't have to put up with the various things that happened this season...

                                Thank you to those that gave a crap and actually gave decent feedback and suggestions etc for the site rather than post "FuCk yOUr W3BsITE Iz SH1T IT DuNn HAVE ON DA MOVE..." etc over and over. And thank you to those that helped myself and Flabby in anyway...

                                Namely Ardour for stepping up and bringing back TWLM/and running it!
                                And Arobas+ who's done some great work in his short amount of time working on the Websites.

                                Regards,
                                RiiStar

                                Crappy Website coder Extordinare...

                                :fear:
                                Last edited by RiiStar; 03-19-2009, 04:50 PM.
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