TWL Season 13....

[Exalt]

1) AML can be held on a different day e.g. sunday or before and/or sunday's twl matches. You lack imagination and devotion, idiot.
2) For warbirds AML would consist of the likes: Return, Paladen, Crasian, Warpath, Ossify, Day, Leonians, Penetrate. You lack basic data analysis skills, idiot.
3) As I have written, TWL amateur league threat was made on THIS forum and the thread starter was no one else but Exalt. Does he play svs league? Don't think so. You lack the ability to understand the meaning behind elementary sentences, idiot.
4) Finally, you lack good manners because you are impudent enough to edit my post into trash with the usage of quotation and then to make a post right from your ass. That is is so unprofessional that I must assume your mental age lies within 5-14 interval, idiot

In conclusion, you are a pretendous retard and should never step up as a TWL op or anyone league-related because you will only harm the zone with your, watch out, unlimited idiocy. You are unable to confront any of the ideas you seem not to like using reasonable argumentation but you choose to produce unsupportive trash-talk. This is the 2nd time it hapened. Good job, idiot.

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P.s. I do not give a fuck about grammar or English in general

This AML thing was proposed by me, ricko and a bunch of other people last year, and was promptly turned down, staff said do it yourself gave no help and really had no interest in anything even when everyone did everything that was asked of them from staff

the whole point being, it wont happen so don't waste your time

and yes the idea was taken from pro/intermediate/amateur leagues in SVS

also, at the time when I asked all the lower tier squad captains, every single one of the squads said yes, which was a total of like 15+ at the time... all were down for it and excited... but nothing came about it... i would like to see it happen but I don't have faith in staff to help impliment it even if it were realistic... no offense ph, not really talking about you

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it works actually.

season 5 light 30-0, only won lb and it was dubious

season 6 diso 10-0 twlb, spastic wins

season 9 sindycate 10-0 twld, sk8 wins
season 9 dice 10-0 twlb, -final- wins

season 10 pandora 10-0 twlb, dice wins

season 11 style 10-0 twld, stray wins

season 12 quake 10-0 twld, thunder wins

might be wrong in one or two, and I also might have forgot one or two.

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get your facts straight, style wasn't 10-0, they lost to stray in regular season.

[Ricko]

TWLD 8 squads, this isnt a free for all league, its for the best. When i was a newb and was in squads pushing to qualify for twl when it was even 12 squads and we didnt make it, it only pushed me to get better so the next season i could be in twl. Letting anyone in twl decreases the competition in it and allows newbs to think they have already made the big time so have no reason to try hard like I used to to improve.

[Stayon]

it works actually.

season 5 light 30-0, only won lb and it was dubious

season 6 diso 10-0 twlb, spastic wins

season 9 sindycate 10-0 twld, sk8 wins
season 9 dice 10-0 twlb, -final- wins

season 10 pandora 10-0 twlb, dice wins

season 11 style 10-0 twld, stray wins

season 12 quake 10-0 twld, thunder wins

might be wrong in one or two, and I also might have forgot one or two.

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How many seasons you saw a squad going like perfect during the season and then in finals it loses??

Well,we in Stray aimed to win twl and we knew that playoffs is what matter.not the season. I made that view pretty clear to the squadron while captaining it.

Before the league started, i told my players to not care about the season and actually worry about the playoffs lol. This made us lose some ez games in twl,making us looks like noobs but also we would win vs "hard" squadrons witch would make us looks a weird squadron lol. But we weren't a wierd squadron. We were just not caring about winning or losing lol, our only objetive was to qualify for playoffs.

Ignite and quake's players please learn from ur master Mega Newbie.....

Trying to win every game during the season is a bad thing sometimes...
it gives EGO to the squadron and a false illusion that you are the best.It makes you squadron hopes for too much and it put pressures on your own players during the finals,witch is a bad thing.It makes the newbies and the ppl in general think you are the best,but at the end their opinions are worth nothing.

look at thunder...
Thunder played oky and all,very nicely and without any hopes(at least not showing bcz thats what matter),losing a game ,2,maybe 3.... woudnlt matter.... you know..they were just walking..
They qualified for playoffs and didnt had any ego or something.Guys are more experienced,they went to playoffs and etc...

oh they got into final....
vs quake...

Thunder 2-0 Quake

Thats how it work ppl

Lol at a not caring about winning strategy. Yeah that really helped Sake last season, seeing that they couldn't even MAKE playoffs.

[ignite ignite]

Bring back 10. Give Rape a chance.

I think we need to keep TWLD at at least 10 squads and I agree with Jones. By furthering the limit on the amount of squads in TWL we aren't helping the overarching theme of zone population decrease. Now anyway can see that on TWL Sunday's we get enormous populations to come play around 450 people I'd say. Now if we further limit the amount of TWLD squads thats a significant 2 rosters of people that won't have incentive to show up on Sunday anymore. As a captain of a once lower tier squad I'd like to see chances given to the lower tier squads to develop through TWLD.

I think that squads like Rape deserve a chance to make something out of themselves someday. If we become elitest and say 0-9, you can't play than we are just further limiting the potential for growth in Trench Wars. Bad idea. Bring back 10 squads for TWLD.

stray was ridiculously easy and shouldnt have been in twl if you had asked me in week 2 or so 2 twl's ago. haha look how things go around

i sort of get your point, but stray was nothing compared to fistula which was rated mediocre. shut up champ.

How many seasons you saw a squad going like perfect during the season and then in finals it loses??

Well,we in Stray aimed to win twl and we knew that playoffs is what matter.not the season. I made that view pretty clear to the squadron while captaining it.

Before the league started, i told my players to not care about the season and actually worry about the playoffs lol. This made us lose some ez games in twl,making us looks like noobs but also we would win vs "hard" squadrons witch would make us looks a weird squadron lol. But we weren't a wierd squadron. We were just not caring about winning or losing lol, our only objetive was to qualify for playoffs.

Ignite and quake's players please learn from ur master Mega Newbie.....

Trying to win every game during the season is a bad thing sometimes...
it gives EGO to the squadron and a false illusion that you are the best.It makes you squadron hopes for too much and it put pressures on your own players during the finals,witch is a bad thing.It makes the newbies and the ppl in general think you are the best,but at the end their opinions are worth nothing.

look at thunder...
Thunder played oky and all,very nicely and without any hopes(at least not showing bcz thats what matter),losing a game ,2,maybe 3.... woudnlt matter.... you know..they were just walking..
They qualified for playoffs and didnt had any ego or something.Guys are more experienced,they went to playoffs and etc...

oh they got into final....
vs quake...

Thunder 2-0 Quake

Thats how it work ppl

[Jones]

stray was ridiculously easy and shouldnt have been in twl if you had asked me in week 2 or so 2 twl's ago. haha look how things go around

i sort of get your point, but stray was nothing compared to fistula which was rated mediocre. shut up champ.

Look,

8 squads...

right now in TWDD we have 24 squadrons. I rememeber in the past it would be like 100 squads. But things changed. we have now 24 squadrons.

8 squads = 33%

yes, 33% of the squadrons in twdd get into twll (if its 8 squadrons)

now,let's take a look at jd..

21 squadrons...

38%....


bd..

16 squadrons...

50%

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If we going to put more squads into twl its easier to just kill twl and make twd our league.


BTW, about squad dropping.....

I think we should let squadrons to recruit players twd players middle twl to play twl.This is going to avoid the squad dropping.

ITS NOT BAD CAPPING that kills the squadron. What can a cap do, if the squad start losing games,and every1 abandon the squadron or get inactive???Some squad has to lose,right???TWL is long and lots of things can happen trought the time.The cap CANT recruit any1 if ppl dissapear, so the squadron will just get inactive and die.It's not the fault of the captain.

I was captain of STRAY, the CHAMPION squadron. and we ALMOST DIED and we almost didnt show for 2 GAMES witch would get us disqualified. it happened bcz ppl into my squadron got inactive!! and there were NOTHING that i could do about.

and remember it was STRAY, the CHAMPION squadron.it wasnt a newbie squadron.

So please,let the squadrons recruit middle of twl.

Twl is a league of competition,a league to determine who is the best.

Let's separate things in tw.

There are the ppl that want to have fun, and the ones that also want to compete.

if u want to have fun there are infinite places to play.but TWL is actually the only place to compete for real.Thats why its twl. its a league for the big boys of trench wars. where the best play against the best.When a twld is announced,the arena needs to be with 100+ ppl in the arena to watch the fucking game.The ppl of the other zones need to leave their zones and come watch.Bcz everyone wants to see who are the great players,the best players of the biggest zone.This is Trench Wars.

Newbies shouldn't get in there.Maybe not even "good" players should be in there. TWL has to be where the elite of trench wars is at.You gotta battle to get inside it.It has to be hard to get inside it.That's competition.That's what we are needing.

Don't fuck with it.Don't make it less important. Put 8 squads into it and its way more than enough already.If you can't get into it,try harder you fucking newbie,get better.This is not TWD.This is TRENCH WARS LEAGUE YOU FUCKERS



That's what we want.

[Jones]

I've gotta say it. Where the hell have you been? And by you I mean everyone that says that more squads in TWLD would be better. How many seasons in a row do you need to have someone drop out, not win a single game, or do something equally shitty before you wake up and realize that we let too many people into the league. In fact, if my memory serves me right we've had 2 squads per season do this the past two seasons.

For every person that says "if you don't let more squads into TWLD then you're not letting people get a taste of TWL which is hurting the league" I could easily make the argument that by not allowing people into TWL that obviously shouldn't have been there, it gives them something to work for. This is very basic stuff, what do you want more, something you get easily or something that was just out of your grasp? I could list example after example of where this is true.

As long as TWD has been alive the competition between the last spots have been fierce, the last two seasons are no exception. So far we have established that there more squads atm than 8 who wishes to play twl, in my previous responses I proposed with Vt; either an aml for low-tier squads because simple ladder system is only prac and is boring and montonous OR a twd playoffs for only a few squads so they can feel important. Perhaps this should be discussed in the TWD section on this forum and shouldn't be something we should bother twl op's with, but this zone needs to give more than 8 squads per league something interesting to play in, imo.

Comparing previous seasons; We have GantZ with 0-10, Grapevine beating squads 50-12 etc. It has always been like this. What if we had put a limit on 6 squads last twl season? We would have had Quake, Thunder, Heavy, Pirates, Sweet and Dynasty. Sweet and Dynasty would've both went 1-4, not so great so in other words we should've only let squads ranked #1-#4 in.

My point is that there will always be a higher tier, a mid tier and a low-tier in every twl regardless of how many squads enter. 8-10 really have no difference, it just means that mid-tier squads get more wins.

Squads dropping out is more of a question about bad leadership if you ask me. Last season Syne dropped out, the same players (more or less) are now in Return, twl ops will probably think twice about letting them in this time.

This is somewhat offtopic but if you're concerned about squad stacking then one solution would be to put a cap on the # of players allowed per roster based on how many leagues they're competing in. For example, a one league TWLD squad could have a roster limit of 10 or 15 (obviously it should be a bit more for a one league basing squad than a one league dueling squad). Also, reward squads that stick around for long periods of time (but still qualify for TWL) to have a slightly larger TWL roster.

Roster limits are not the way to go, however I do agree that you dont need more than say, 12 on a twld or twlj roster.

[Reaver]

I've gotta say it. Where the hell have you been? And by you I mean everyone that says that more squads in TWLD would be better. How many seasons in a row do you need to have someone drop out, not win a single game, or do something equally shitty before you wake up and realize that we let too many people into the league. In fact, if my memory serves me right we've had 2 squads per season do this the past two seasons.

For every person that says "if you don't let more squads into TWLD then you're not letting people get a taste of TWL which is hurting the league" I could easily make the argument that by not allowing people into TWL that obviously shouldn't have been there, it gives them something to work for. This is very basic stuff, what do you want more, something you get easily or something that was just out of your grasp? I could list example after example of where this is true.

This is somewhat offtopic but if you're concerned about squad stacking then one solution would be to put a cap on the # of players allowed per roster based on how many leagues they're competing in. For example, a one league TWLD squad could have a roster limit of 10 or 15 (obviously it should be a bit more for a one league basing squad than a one league dueling squad). Also, reward squads that stick around for long periods of time (but still qualify for TWL) to have a slightly larger TWL roster.

[Izor]

1) AML can be held on a different day e.g. sunday or before and/or sunday's twl matches. You lack imagination and devotion, idiot.
2) For warbirds AML would consist of the likes: Return, Paladen, Crasian, Warpath, Ossify, Day, Leonians, Penetrate. You lack basic data analysis skills, idiot.
3) As I have written, TWL amateur league threat was made on THIS forum and the thread starter was no one else but Exalt. Does he play svs league? Don't think so. You lack the ability to understand the meaning behind elementary sentences, idiot.
4) Finally, you lack good manners because you are impudent enough to edit my post into trash with the usage of quotation and then to make a post right from your ass. That is is so unprofessional that I must assume your mental age lies within 5-14 interval, idiot

In conclusion, you are a pretendous retard and should never step up as a TWL op or anyone league-related because you will only harm the zone with your, watch out, unlimited idiocy. You are unable to confront any of the ideas you seem not to like using reasonable argumentation but you choose to produce unsupportive trash-talk. This is the 2nd time it hapened. Good job, idiot.

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P.s. I do not give a fuck about grammar or English in general

1-3) My feelings about AML are mixed because we really dont have enough squads to sustain 2 leagues and I'd much rather have a 12 squad league that we could field in TWLD this year. LD really should be its own separate entity because more different squads play it. It has probably more games played than BDs and JDs combined on the ladder (yes, im too lazy to check this). I actually think we should go the opposite direction and raise the number of squads so that more people can get playing time and hopefully we'll see more competitive squads instead of 3 or 4.

4) ph hosted almost all of HEAVYs games last season, and im pretty sure he hosted a game in every time slot for the majority of the season if not the whole season. TWLs hosts did what they did with a very small staff who were dedicated and you cant knock them for it because I consistently saw the same people on a weekly basis hosting

[Jones]

thank you for clarifying just how much stock i should put into anything you say, i was almost tricked into thinking you knew what you were talking about for a minute

jones, since you don't suffer from unwarranted self-importance like this veetee character, tell me more about these twdd playoffs that you propose and we'll work from there

In a response to this

There are only 24 squads on the TWDD ladder TOTAL, with #17 having a flat rating of 1000.

Don't think we need to look at the TWJD or TWBD ladder

I just randomly thought that after inviting the top 8 squads to twl, the remainder of twd who still wishes to "prove" something could fight it out in a simple playoff format. This would include ladder rankings from 9-12 or so. Single elimination. As I explained earlier I want as many new low-tier squads in twl while still having a small bit of competition. A compromise between people for competitiveness and people for more squads could be done by having a twl for 8 squads and still having something of value for the other squads. This would maybe also be similar to the TWD Cup we had last season, with the difference that you wouldn't be invited to twl even if you won. The winners squadname could be perhaps shown on the twdsite as a prize.

I wouldn't even suggest the need of a fancy website section or anything for this, think a controlled twd tournament for 4-6 squads, everything happening in the twd arenas. Also to save time the playoffs could take place after the qualifications end, ie. 9pm EST, depending on the amount of squads that enter.

[PaulOakenfold]

Just sniping this second page

What will you do about the lack of trees that infests our TWL season after season?