TWLD Hot or Not - Week 10

[LaG KiLLeR]

Heres a better way than letting all these squads into the playoff.

Have squads involved in the tie breaker dd each other sometime during the week, and have both squad captains inform staff that this is a tiebreaker game, set up some games that have to be played, consider not playing the game during the course of the week as breaking the activity rule and have them automatically forfeit to the squad they were supposed to play. Let staffers zone the dd as a tiebreaker for TWL playoff game, it would get people interested, people would come see the matches, and it wouldn't waste any extra time at all via an extra tournament week.

Problem solved!

[Stylez]

Sage 50 - Mad 32

This win will take a little pressure off for Dice next week.

Actually, that's wrong. With Sage winning, that would only mean Dice needs to worry a bit more about getting into TWLD semi-finals.

the 50-0 forfeits and good amount of 5v4's this season skews that stat further

Honestly, I agree with Pascone for the most part on this discussion, being that I'd rather TWL be over with a.s.a.p. Though Chuckle makes a good point. There have been a few forfeits and dropouts throughout TWL. Basing who makes it on k/d's would only mean that a particular squad gets handicapped due to not being able to play a match.

Now, however, you could also see who played who and determine from there, from the squad(s) who were subjugated to this. If the squad(s) in question pose no threat from this, then you could simply rule this as a unproblematic circumstance.

The regular season shows which teams can perform when there's little at stake.

Little at stake? If this being the way your squad viewed any part of TWL, then you didn't deserve to make it in the first place.

My point before (which I though was pretty fucking obvious) was that even though you have 2 wins more than Mad, your second best W:L ratio would make you second seed instead of first seed.

Well that, maybe, being true. Ruling on who gets in is first determined by who beats who in regular season. Afterward, it would be determined, in a last minute tie-breaker situation, by k/d's. I understand you were merely stating your point through an example, but, your example is lacking contemplation. If it were a multiple-way tie, the squad(s) who beat the so-called other squad(s) would first be determined by w/l's. Then, if any other delay comes way, they'd determine it by k/d's.

you don't seem to understand that +/- is indicative of the talent of your squad. mad added their starters like every game besides the one vs sage, where they got rolled. we added players like skittle in games. we knew we'd make the playoffs, so we added people for fun. we don't care about seedings. why would we?

if you lost every game by 1 kill, then your squad is useless.

+/- is plenty fair. do better than 7-4 if you want to make the playoffs. win the games you're supposed to win.

Okay, I get that we have a roster that consist of enough players to play all three leagues. Though, as far as TWLD is concerned, we didn't always add in our "starting line-up". As far as I can tell, from your ever growing roster, basing that off of your squad being in one league, you still have only played a total of 12 people, out of the 5 particapting within every game. Most of which have only played one, if even an entire, match.

Here's a better way than letting all these squads into the playoff.

Have squads involved in the tie breaker dd each other sometime during the week, and have both squad captains inform staff that this is a tiebreaker game, set up some games that have to be played, consider not playing the game during the course of the week as breaking the activity rule and have them automatically forfeit to the squad they were supposed to play. Let staffers zone the dd as a tiebreaker for TWL playoff game, it would get people interested, people would come see the matches, and it wouldn't waste any extra time at all via an extra tournament week.

Problem solved!

Honestly, it may seem like a sound hypothesis, though, people would complain either way. Be it that TWLD is determined from w/l's to k/d's, or, w/l's to tie-breaking matches. You'd always have your whiners in either case.

[pascone]

good thing no one read my post where i said to have the +/- come from the squads already in playoffs/ones fighting for playoffs. throw away the wolf scores, warpaths, serenitys, etc

[Stylez]

good thing no one read my post where i said to have the +/- come from the squads already in playoffs/ones fighting for playoffs. throw away the wolf scores, warpaths, serenitys, etc

This is why I said earlier that I agree with Pascone for the most part, but also agreeing with Chuckle with other parts.

Yes, after regular season, I get the fact you would rather just keep it as the top 6 tiers of squads, instead of 8, being what Chuckle wanted.

Taking into consideration your point-of-view, being the top 6 squads, you'd still be left with the factoring in of cancellation of games, forfeits, and dropouts. Now if none of the squads being reviewed are effected by any of this, then I would also agree with you that we should just do it by k/d's. Otherwise, I'd say it be more fair to do it by pre-playoff tie-breaking matches.

[Izor]

After reading that, I didnt get the point across well. What I meant was this takes a little off pressure off Sage playing vs Dice which will be certainly be a close matchup depending on the players dice shows.

[pascone]

i actually said i wanted top 4

again, if you take the +/- of the top squads and exclude the dropout scores, the numbers are more indicative of the 4th squad trying to get in's ability

[Stylez]

i actually said i wanted top 4

again, if you take the +/- of the top squads and exclude the dropout scores, the numbers are more indicative of the 4th squad trying to get in's ability

Grr, my mistake. I meant top 4 (Chuckle being top 6 or 8 or w/e). As far as semi-finals go.

So you're basically saying, even if a squad dropped out and did so happen affect one of the four squads making it into playoffs, that they should just devoid any type of recognition from that squad ever being in TWL in the first place? In other words, tallying out the k/d's of the squad that dropped out from every squad still left in TWLD. From my understanding. If so, makes sense.

[pascone]

Grr, my mistake. I meant top 4 (Chuckle being top 6 or 8 or w/e). As far as semi-finals go.

So you're basically saying, even if a squad dropped out and did so happen affect one of the four squads making it into playoffs, that they should just devoid any type of recognition from that squad ever being in TWL in the first place? In other words, tallying out the k/d's of the squad that dropped out from every squad still left in TWLD. From my understanding. If so, makes sense.

i don't think it matters as much how much squad a beat squad c compared to how squad b beat squad c when squad c isn't very good.

thus, i think it's best to get the gauge of these fringe playoff squads by comparing them to the upper tier squads.

[Riverside]

i don't think it matters as much how much squad a beat squad c compared to how squad b beat squad c when squad c isn't very good.

thus, i think it's best to get the gauge of these fringe playoff squads by comparing them to the upper tier squads.

Why does the scores vs playoff squads matter. Sure, you want teams that don't get crushed by others, but, why the hell do people act like the score is relevant. Losing 50-25 is the same as losing to 50-45, in my books. A team can have one bad game, where they show a bad line, and get screwed over due to lag (see qs vs sage, fatal vs dice), and the result will be getting kicked out of the playoff race? Really?

[Chuckle]

pascone stop being a faggot and listen to you idol...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG82JNkknTs
0:25 - 0:32

[Izor]

Why would we even show up vs squads like Savanger and Serenity then if we're not going to be rated against playing them?

[Stylez]

i don't think it matters as much how much squad a beat squad c compared to how squad b beat squad c when squad c isn't very good.

thus, i think it's best to get the gauge of these fringe playoff squads by comparing them to the upper tier squads.

Well, being that they're still going by w/l's first and then, if need be, by k/d's, I would say it does matter, to some extent.

I'm having a hard time trying to grasp the full concept of your rebuttal towards all of this. The two squads who have nothing to worry about and that will automatically get a free pass into semi-finals are Epidemic and Mad. Even if Mad were to lose their next match and with Thunder winning theirs, Mad still beat Thunder in regular season. Thunder also not really having anything to worry about, seeing as that they're already golden for a playoff game at the least.

If Thunder lost their next match (versus Savanger) and Rapid (versus Mad), Sage (versus Dice), and Quicksand (versus Warpath) were to win their games, then we'd have a 4 way tie for third place. Meaning that those four squads would first have to determine who beat who in regular season.

Thunder: Sage (Won), Rapid (Won), Quicksand (Lost)
Quicksand: Thunder (Won), Sage (Lost), Rapid (Won)
Rapid: Thunder (Lost), Sage (Won), Quicksand (Lost)
Sage: Thunder (Lost), Quicksand (Won), Rapid (Lost)

Basically giving Thunder and Quicksand two wins and one loss. Rapid and Sage with two losses and one win a piece. You could do it by "just an idea" who won the most matches out of these four squads, being Thunder and Quicksand, and then do it by who beat who out of those two, being Quicksand. Same goes for Rapid and Sage, being Rapid who'd take that position.

Quicksand, Thunder, Rapid, Sage

In all honesty, this is still just speculation, but if this were to happen would just mean that TWLD playoff seeds would already be determined. Making a need for averaging in k/d's obsolete. Seeing as how all 6 seeds would be determined.

Now, of course, there's no telling what will happen this Sunday. Dynasty, Savanger, Warpath, and Shinobi all a few wins short from even making it into TWLD playoffs, doesn't mean they can't do the other squads some harm still by altering their chances at making it. Now, Fatal and Dice have a lot to prove this Sunday coming up. Even though Dynasty can't make it into semi-final's, still pose a huge threat for Fatal. The game I'm most excited about would be the Sage versus Dice game. Depending on who wins this game will at least take last seed. Which would mean if Dice won, even though Sage and Dice would be tied in matches won and lost, Dice just beat Sage in regular season which would kill Sages chances. Now if Fatal were to win their match, then you'd have to take the winner of the previous game I mentioned (Sage vs. Dice) and see who beat who in regular season from there. Which would be Dice, so from there, Dice would get the last tier. If Sage won versus Dice would kill Fatal's chances regardless. So they need Sage too lose. Even then, Fatal's only real chance, going by the idea I suggested would be that Rapid lost their match. Having Rapid losing would be their only real ticket into playoffs, seeing as that they are the only other squad in question for playoffs that Fatal beat in regular season. So, in other words, they need both Sage and Rapid to lose.

Now if Dice and Fatal both lost, then the last 4 seeds would be determined regardless. Making it a total of 6 squads in the top 6 tiers. Epidemic, Mad, "depending on who wins what" Thunder, Quicksand, Rapid, and Sage.

So, when it all boils down to it, it really all comes down to the Sage vs. Dice game and the Fatal vs. Dynasty game. For any real complications as to if we need to average in k/d's.

Because Thunder, Quicksand, Rapid, and Sage (and a possible Dice and/or Fatal) would have to fight each other for semi-final's regardless, just determining who fights who will pose a question.

Shit, I sort of lost myself while typing all this out... LMAO, I need a life...

P.s. Oh yeah, and Pascone, if you're suggesting what I think you are, then you seemingly want to just get rid of playoffs and go straight into semi-finals. Is that correct?

[Izor]

I think hes suggesting that we just give the championship to Epidemic...I mean theres upsets in this game often enough that the playoffs are worth playing

[Stylez]

Hell, I'll go ahead and add in a more predictive expansion.

Nullifying out Epidemic, Mad, and Thunder from this equation. Other than Mad, seeing as that they'll be playing Rapid.

Okay, from Quicksand, Rapid, and Sage, I'll give you a theoretical play-by-play of what could go down with each squad. I will factor in Dice and Fatal later on. This will be for the last three tier spots.

Quicksand (6-4):
Beat Dice, Fatal, Rapid.
Lost to Sage.
Plays Warpath

Rapid (6-4):
Beat Dice, Sage.
Lost to Fatal, Quicksand.
Plays Mad

Sage (6-4):
Beat Quicksand.
Lost to Fatal, Rapid.
Plays Dice

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Dice (5-5):
Beat Fatal.
Lost to Rapid, Quicksand.
Plays Sage

Fatal (5-5):
Beat Sage, Rapid.
Lost to Dice, Quicksand.
Plays Dynasty

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If Quicksand, Rapid, and Sage won their matches, they're in playoffs. Goodbye and good luck Dice and Fatal.

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Now here's where it gets tricky.

Quicksand Losing:
If Rapid and Sage won, would just mean they'd move up in the tier grouping, still leaving Quicksand with a record of (6-5). Seeing as that Sage won their match, Dice would be of no concern. If Fatal won their match, making them at an even (6-5) with Quicksand, it would then be determined on who beat who in regular season. Making Quicksand still eligible for last tier spot. Even if Sage and Rapid lost their matches, Quicksand would still be in league for a tier spotting, more so even. Seeing as how Quicksand still beat Rapid and Dice, as well as Fatal, in regular season.

Rapid Losing:
As with the Quicksand prediction(s), if Rapid lost (6-5), Quicksand and Sage would just move up, leaving Rapid in the last tier spot. Seeing as how Rapid beat both Dice and Sage in regular season, they'd still be in the last tier holding. Though, if Fatal won their match, with them beating Rapid in regular season, they'd take Rapid's last tier position. So, basically, Rapid needs a win to confirm their spot or at least pray Fatal loses their match.

Sage Losing:
Again, the other two squads, being Quicksand and Rapid, would just move up, leaving Sage with a score of (6-5). Though this being different in that if they lose this match with Dice, they're out of TWLD.

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Dice Winning:
If Dice were to win their match with Sage, knocking Sage out of the competition and even further having nothing to worry about if Fatal win's, would give Dice a playoff seating. Leaving Fatal and Sage in the dust.

Fatal Winning:
As I said before, they need for Sage and Rapid to lose their matches in order for them to even stand a chance at entering playoffs. Good luck.

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Of course I didn't factor in if Quicksand, Rapid, and Sage all lost, and Dice and/or Fatal winning. Because if Fatal so-called also won their match, that'd leave a five way tie. I just don't feel like figuring all that out at the moment. I also know that there are a few other ways things could go down, but I don't care.

In the end, Quicksand has nothing to worry about, win or lose. Rapid needs to either win or hope Fatal loses. Sage just needs to beat Dice or they're out. Dice, as with Sage, needs to beat Sage to get into TWLD playoffs. Fatal just needs to cross their fingers and hope and pray Mad beats Rapid and that they win their match.

So, a lot of wasted time on my part, but, hopefully, informative information for the rest. Good luck to all the squads!

[Kid Kaos]

YEa I was actually high enough to read it. Kinda Cool to see how its can work out fomr all angles thanks TWL Professor Stylez.