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  • My beef with "top" squads

    I have a bit of time to spare before I head off to work, so I'm gonna address something I feel is an issue in Trench Wars... (and no, it's not the mystery of why vys sucks in all 3 ships, or why Apok is horrid after multiple years of playing). I'm gonna try to keep my personal opinion on everyone minimal in the following post.

    It's the "let's join a good squad so we can bench our way to a title" mentality that sort of kills the competitiveness. Yeah, TWL is pretty damn competitive this season, especially TWLD, but is it really as competitive as it should be? LET'S BREAK IT DOWN:

    Thunder; the most obvious case. A squad lead by the captain faggot Ease himself. Let's take a look at the roster, shall we:
    Probable Starters: Raspi, Ease, Geisha, Mythril, Burnt
    Now damn, that's one stacked line, with 3 of the top 10 (hell, some people can argue 5) wbs in, along with Geisha and Burnt as a 4th and 5th. No complaints, they all joined forces like the Miami Heat hoping to win... my concern, is the forgotten wbs.

    You got players who can DEFINITELY start on 8 other teams in TWL, such as beam (he had a breakout year last season), CrimsonX (underrated warbird, does his job), CONFLUENCE (kind of forgotten, but dude can flat out play), FSTemplar (inconsistent wb, can be damn dominant if he gave a damn), saetep (great player in all leagues), Chuckle (believe it or not, the guy can still play, and start, for a lot of teams), Misled (people have seen how good he can be), Tohn (no-floating tactic works), Obi (loyal Thunder player, but if you give him a chance, he's a damn solid sniper), and finally, Zyphen (a guy who has an insane amount of potential, just doesn't put himself in the right spots).
    Yeah, this looks like a load of bull, but think about it, all of those guys can start on any squad today other than Fierce and Thunder, some as 2nd options, some as 4th/5th options on "contenders". That's TEN active warbirds who are gonna be riding the bench. Ten.
    Don't forget the old farts on Thunder who may get active... like Weaver, Grouch, Fujiwara and High Templar. Not to mention the guys who can fill in and play a few games, such as, dare I say, Violence, or even Turban, who actually played Semis last year and did a good job filling in.
    I'd talk about their javs but I'm clueless in that ship.

    Next up is Fierce. I was actually surprised to see that the "issue" doesn't exist so much this year, since some of their players from last year brightened up and went on their own.
    Probable PLAYOFF Starting Line: RaCka, DEEZ NUTS, Apok, skepsis, Kyou/scoop
    That leaves out one of scoop and Kyou. I expect deez to show up to season games, and racka to afk till playoffs, leaving out complications till playoffs do arrive. Now they got kyou/scoop (easily starters on every damn squad in tw - Thunder), death row (still a force), Geio (Gasoft got game), Casket (upcoming player), Vash (despite what I/Ease say, dude still is a good 4th/5th), Props (wtf are you doing??), Cres (ROTY will play against Paladen only) and finally WAR (I played with this guy a month ago, I'm surprised to say he's still alright).
    Yeah not sooo bad. About 8 "subs", not much to complain with here to be quite honest, since squads do need depth, but a couple of those players on another squad, particularly Geio, Casket, Props and Cres wouldn't do much to Fierce's performance tbqh.

    Then you got Dice and Penetrate in basing... Pene does have a lot of oldies, but damn, there are QUITE a bit of active players there who can start on other teams (cough Sweet cough). I wouldn't be surprised if I entered a TWLB arena when Pene is playing and see a freq of over 20-25 people for 'em. You're gonna have Vatican support me on this but let's face it, he only disagrees with it now because it's going against him .

    I guess what I'm trying to say is, yeah, I get it, there are reasons for it. Some people want to play together, and the biggest reason I see is, well, people want to win. But wtf good is winning when you got that Adam Morrison, or, zidane on Thunder, role where you're watching 90% of your TWL games on the bench? Especially in Thunder's case, it's not like your even "earning" playing time, because regardless of how you play, odds are, that same veteran line is going to start most games (and even if I'm wrong, they're going to start all the important ones). I understand, not everyone is going to show every week, but come on, to have 15+ potential starters on one team? That's freaking insane, and retarded. Grow a pair and join another squad you dumb faggots.

    THAT IS ALL.
    Last edited by Riverside; 05-05-2011, 05:39 AM.

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    "Zyphen (a guy who has an insane amount of potential, just doesn't put himself in the right spots)"


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    • #3
      +1000
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      • #4
        Riverside> afk nap time

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        • #5
          I don't have a problem with most top squads these days because they came about as a natural progression in the zone. Most weren't formed to purposefully be supersquads they just happen to be groups of people that enjoy playing with each other. Its bound to happen in a game this old because as more people quit, people eventually have to play for different squads most of the time.
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          • #6
            re

            I guess for me it doesnt matter, cause you can only play 5 at a time. For javs, thunder is stacked as hell, but it doesnt matter cause they can only play 5 at a time, and will get stomped by the teaming of sweet. The only squad that I don't mind having like 50 + people is penetrate, because they basically trained all those people themselves.

            At the end of the day, only 5 can play in dueling leagues, and in javs anyways it don't matter, everyone still gonna get rocked by sweet.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Eelam View Post
              At the end of the day, only 5 can play in dueling leagues, and in javs anyways it don't matter, everyone still gonna get rocked by sweet.
              Sorta missing the point..
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              • #8
                Should I join penetrate for LD? Allow the people to determine the people's champs future.
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                • #9
                  agreed River!
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                  • #10
                    this is an age old issue.

                    spaceship leagues will never have parity and that's that. this is a free game where players are free to do as they wish, and futhermore, the leagues are all just for bragging rights anyway with no "actual" reward. if we had prize money on the line, maybe we could establish a real set of rules with some kind of salary cap system. maybe we could force people to do the right/fair/honest thing and split themselves up so there's more competition.

                    keep dreamin' though. ;]
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                    • #11
                      Phew! You dont know how relieved Iam to know that Riverside doesn't have beef with us! (Epidemic) but he does make a good point. In fact that's why I left fierce. Last season was the most boring season I've ever been apart of. I'm not really in it to win titles or be a winner. Been there, done that. Nothing spectacular happens if you win anyways, lol. I enjoy playing with my friends and playing the underdog role and causing upsets Makes it more of a challenge. I guess what I'm trying to say is I agree with Riverside
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                      • #12
                        To be serious though at this point tw is more of a chat client then anything else to me. So it's all just about chilling with people I like, which as a whole is either Thunder or Pandora.
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                        • #13
                          If you benched your way to a title, most of the people involved in TWL at all probably know it. That really doesn't give you any bragging rights, which is what it boils down to anyway.

                          That being said it would be great if some of these benchers (which is not meant to have a negative connotation at all, by the way) decided to split off and form new competitive squads. Most people just don't have the time or energy to form a new squad and see it through, which is the bigger issue.
                          Last edited by Chao.; 05-05-2011, 08:09 PM. Reason: Typo
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                          • #14
                            + 1.

                            To get rid of this- change roster limits in twl to 25 max (35 still way too much even if they competing in all three leagues) and there will be loads more squads competing + will naturally allow more squads to qualify and compete in twl.

                            Or have a rating system exactly like draft tourney (based on twd/ previous twl's or ave deaths/kills). Players ratings: top player, very good, good, average, below ave, don't bother choosing this guy. Squads can pick at max: 2 top players and 5 very goods- the rest no max. Roster limit 25 max.
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                            • #15
                              Yeah while were at it well change the name of the zone to faggot fairy funland and all tell each other how much we love playing with each other, want to see droves of players quit? Try adding retarded fucking ideas like that to twl rofl.
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