Basing Training Proposal

[Royst]

This may be long and winded but I hope those who do have concerns about attempting to expand our basing division and not restrict it, will read through this. For the weary, just skip to the bolded part.

As some of you saw, a couple of weeks ago I attempted to start up a training squad for basing called Daycare and I've felt like I've exhausted all my options. I may have made a couple mistakes along the way but have learned a lot about the state of our basing division.

My motivation was that I felt there are still a group of people in the zone who are interested in basing but do not have the appropriate links to make that jump into being a baser from pub. There are two reasons for this, the base squads that do exist are mostly established and are a huge gap from the talent level of a new baser; and there is no valid halfway point as base does not operate normally anymore.

In the week I attempted to recruit we grew to about 20 members of newer players eager to play base. Clearly there was a lot of people who do want to base, but just have nowhere to go for it. They were even eagerly attempting to start base and I saw a small increase in activity at ?go base. However, no matter what bd we found it was automatically a 15-0 loss, compounded with losing against multiple special ships made it even more difficult to help them get the hang of how to base. Because it was time consuming and was too hard to personally try to run this squad, I ultimately tried merging with a lower tier basing squad to give them a better chance while getting another basing squad active, but clashing ideologies made it hard to let trainees learn how to base while enjoying themselves. Even heading back to penetrate is difficult because to them, the competitiveness of the top bd squads facing each other make them timid and nervous to even play the bd.

Which brings me to what I would like to propose. With TWL coming up this is the best time for newer guys to peak their interest in basing. They will be able to help get ?go base active as well as gain interest and knowledge by watching TWL games on sundays. However, we need to create an avenue for them to be introduced into basing somehow, and not expect them to just watch TWL games and say "basing is cool" and then don't know what to do with that interest.

I believe we as a basing community need to make a collective training squad. In order to do so, we would need 4-5 devoted members from different TWLB squads who will be completely motivated to help recruit and train members. As they grow and get better than can move or be "promoted" onto the squads who are a part of this plan. I guess you can consider it as a farm team.

I feel the only way for this to happen is to openly allow some individuals to double squad in order to help so their endeavors on twl is kept while helping us as a zone promote our basing division. We will all know who these 4-5 people are, and the only reason they are double squadding is to help ease the transition for newer members. To be quite honest I'd be willing to not be on a TWL squad in order to help run this, but I do not think I can do this without other active devoted people that most likely have TWL on their mind this coming week.

I only mention this idea because I am not networked enough to know who would really be willing to help our league. I am not sure if this is possible or if TWD/TWL Ops will allow such a rule to be bypassed, but I think we need to do this to change the current landscape of our zone.

Anyways, I would like to know what you guys think and if this is even possible. I believe with the cooperation of the whole basing community we can really help our population grow as a whole.

[the_paul]

I'd be down to help out, but naturally I wouldn't be available to do so until after TWL, since I strongly doubt this game, so scared of change as it is, will make a major one like that with a quickness. Good ideas though, I like it, and like I said I'd be willing to help out and do my part.

[Menelvagor]

I actually proposed this idea a few years back, with the inclusion that the training squad be able to challenge themselves to bds, obviously with no point change (scrimmage matches) some ppl said just use ?go base bot but its not the same we need to get the nubs into the TWBD arena, and into BDs they can win.

I'd be willing to help out during TWL if it doesn't interfere with my TWL'ing with Sage, or after TWL.

the reason this is a good idea im my mind is that it allows for the top tier players to train newbies while a) not having them on the top squads so the less helpful more fickle majority of ss community doesnt have hissy fits cuuz theres nubs on their squad. and B) allowing the top tier players to actually PLAY WITH and coach the nubs, while still being able to get in a match with their own squad vs another top squad.

[Jason]

if you get guys like ryu and spook involved, i'm in. :]

[Pressure]

I'm not interested in leave Diso, but if the chance arose that I would be allowed to double-squad and help teach some newer guys the game I am 100% down to help. I already reach out to the newer guys that I see making attempts to try this league, and I think I'd be perfect for what you're looking for.

[Heisman]

How about... ur a D bag... i LET u do this idea with hit and u nearly dissolved my whole squad. How about you help us all out and just quit the game. Your clearly going to get this running then dissolve it like the punkass you are.

[Stayon]

és un milagro!

[renzi]

id help you out after twl, royst

[Esau]

I believe we as a basing community need to make a collective training squad.

Based on your discussion of the barriers you face, I think you need at least 2 training squads. Take those 20 members and divide them.

[vaped]

I'm down to try something like Daycare again. I didn't have much of a chance to play at all when I joined Daycare -- then we merged with Hit -- then my computer died -- then everyone from Daycare was fired from Hit before I got my new notebook. I'm still not exactly sure what happened there.

lol.

[Royst]

I didn't want to get into this because i want this thread to be about finding a method to train basersm, but just because of all the verbal diarrhea that has been spewed at me the past few weeks I feel the need to clarify something.

The only reason I joined Hit was because Heis came to me with an idea for a place to be active and allow trainees to play because his basing area, so I agreed on the premise of being allowed to do so. Yes I got free reigns and was allowed to base a lot and I liked seeing another basing squad active, but the cost was seeing my trainees subbed when we were losing bds and ultimately having a baser being axed because 1. he was scared to jd because he thought he sucked at it, and 2. he didn't know how to go to the TWJD arena.

Quite frankly we are all equal, if one of my trainees don't belong on a squad none of us should be. I may have overreacted and removed all my trainees but I told them to come with me to somewhere where they can just enjoy this game without the whole fickle attitude they have to deal with. That is why I felt forced to go back to penetrate. If I did think It would be the best to train new guys on penetrate why wouldn't I have done that in the first place? Also taking into account that I've been on that squad for the past 4 years? I tried different options because I thought it might be best for the basing community. Like the other thread up right now, I also have several concerns having so many members on one squad, even though most of them are new trainees. So you can call me a selfish douchebag or whatever, but quite frankly the only concerns i have is for my trainees and them only.

I've already had several members from daycare who would love for something like daycare to come back, I only wish I could do so without the stress of taking the responsibility on my own (P.S I may have missed a couple of messages to some guys, so please send me a message if you didn't get one!)

Regardless, I think maybe having 2 squads could be most beneficial for an idea like this, though I think our resources are best fit for one big squad at the time being. If everyone is willing to help, would anyone know who would have the authority to make decisions on whether or not we could bypass a doublesquadding rule (as long as everyone in TW and ops knew who they were and why they were doing so?)

[Jerome Scuggs]

Royst, IMO the idea of starting a squad from scratch would be a Hurculean attempt, as you saw with Daycare. I think it would be better to work through the existing structure. For starters, you have two squads, Lamists and LTKings, which have apparently just popped up and are BDing. Rather than being created from the top down, these squads are homegrown, and for that reason won't be prone to TW politics and infighting that might accompany a "communal" squad. I see Penetrate has already given both squads some games in TWD, that's what you should keep doing.

I dont think TW has enough activity for a grand scheme like this. But I see potential with LTKings and lamists as a bridge between pubbers and organized basers, because people like me and you might not have as much "pub cred" as jizoint, coja, and LTKing/unknown warrior. allow them to pull pubbers in, and as they develop you will see members leaving to join more prominent squads while simultaneously, a core forms (just like in the early days of penetrate). Pubbers will then have two squads which give them a shot at either being noticed by other squads, or simply being part of an active basing team.

A unilateral idea of mine which I haven't discussed with Disoblige is that of picking up some of these newbies, something which I was really looking forward to doing before you fucked me over by moving daycare to Penetrate... what daycare newbie would refuse an invitation to a 2-time TWLB winning squad?

So I dunno, it is my conclusion that you (we) are expecting way too much. I understand where you're coming from - the increasingly problematic population issues and a lack of basing squads - but I also see a potential solution already emerging, and IMO it's best we simply continue to support these newer squads and help them develop.

[Salubrious]

I'll help you out right now, royst.

as long as it doesn't involve joining penentrate

your best strategy is to do something similar to what you tried with hit, but with more mature captains (seriously, hindsight wins in this case. just look at hit's antics right before twl qualifications and you'll realize that their primary focus was to WIN and get in, not to raise some new trainees). I know anti-scrub has recruited some EGers who apparently have some potential. Paladen is definitely looking for new basers, and I'm 100% sure their leadership would be willing to work something out with you.

And I hear vati's looking to recruit some, but that may just be a rumor.

[Crescent Seal]

How about... ur a D bag... i LET u do this idea with hit and u nearly dissolved my whole squad. How about you help us all out and just quit the game. Your clearly going to get this running then dissolve it like the punkass you are.

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are you done vsing royst? you are by far the worst captain twd/twl has ever seen...aside from sika and domi your squad is a joke...first you use paky dude to take you to the top...then vys...you wouldnt of even made LD because of how inactive you were...you werent even showing up on ladder and you faked us into dding with you so you would show up on ladders even with a loss...pathetic

[Royst]

Jerome i think you are right that helping out these new squads is good as well, but to sit back and watch the process run naturally wouldn't be preferable as we don't know what will come of them. In fact having other new squads would be even more advantageous for us to have another new squad in there where we as a baser community have control over them and can ease that transition so much easier than players on those squads hoping they will ever make that move. With us helping out if we lose squadmates to better squads we won't be taking as much damage as if players from LTkings or Lamists were to leave, especially if they were one of their better players.

And Sal, I agree as well, If this were to happen it wouldn't involve joining penetrate anyways so would be nice to have you on board. And I don't blame hit I suppose (don't know about the antics) but its my fault their rating was low (though i'd claim that the only reason why they have so many games is because we tripled the amount of bds with our numbers alone).

The only thing I've learned about working with other squads (even penetrate) is that everyone has their own type of leadership installed in the roster, and its difficult to come in and be able to work well with a squad thats been established in personality and methods. I think the best choice is going in to a new squad with everyone sharing the same mindset and ideals in why the squad is here and how to manage it, as well as the constant feedback amongst one another of what we can do better.