Rules are Rules but...

[Vatican Assassin]

But you could just say that since the squad dissolved, that any games players of said squad played in are declared null and void, as any wins they received would have to be nullified. As such, they would still be eligible to squad hop if they do it before softlock. Or is it hardlock? I always get my locks mixed up.

[kthx]

Gotta agree here, you should know if your squad is active or your captains are incompetent/don't give a shit and choose to play for a different squad for TWL before the season if its like that. The problem is this could be abused, for instance if two traitorous players such as Raazi and Delectable left a squad like Quicksand to join other less talented squads and then like went inactive instead of defeating said traitors in TWL we could just dissolve and Racka/Izor/Kyou etc could all just.. join some other squad.. it would completely tip the balance of play in the league.

For that reason, no.

[LF]

Or, as a community of (mostly) adults, even if most don't act like it, we can exercise the ability to use common sense in situations like these using the rules as a very simple guideline. There's no need to be complex or to find loopholes. I haven't signed on in a week or 2 but common sense is telling me that the captains of said squad should be punished, not the players. Despite that its in the rules it wouldn't be fair to the regular players that wanted to play each week. It would be extremely easy to tell if somebody was just trying to abuse this as kthx described above me, in which case common sense says that the players would not be able to switch squads. That's my opinion as a former TWL-Op, I say let them play.

[Tsumetai]

I think adding a rule for next season and beyond that allows anyone from the dropout squad to join up with their replacement squad, like Cres suggested, would be a good idea. I don't think there's any real way to abuse that. Is anyone truly worried about some squad that never qualified in the first place becoming "overpowered" when a few people from some squad that couldn't even make it through a TWL season intact join them? It would give the opportunity for the replacement squad to be more competitive without leaving any significant threat for abuse on the table, too.

[Reaver]

Gotta agree here, you should know if your squad is active or your captains are incompetent/don't give a shit and choose to play for a different squad for TWL before the season if its like that. The problem is this could be abused, for instance if two traitorous players such as Raazi and Delectable left a squad like Quicksand to join other less talented squads and then like went inactive instead of defeating said traitors in TWL we could just dissolve and Racka/Izor/Kyou etc could all just.. join some other squad.. it would completely tip the balance of play in the league.

For that reason, no.

just about every new rule is open for abuse...it needs to be used with intelligence, as I mentioned (C)'s should be held to different standards, and obviously if someone is a (C) for a while, then gives it to someone else and they drop out of TWL they should still be regarded as a (C)...

[kthx]

The problem is the rules that we leave open to be decided upon by members of staff tend to be judged ridiculously different by any given staffer who has the option to do so. Take oooo for instance who decided it was his job to uphold the racism rules to such a ridiculous standard that people were being warned and silenced for non-racist conversations and even to the point of making up bullshit reasons to silence and warn people (triggering bots). Thats why this is something that shouldn't just be for staff to decide on, it should be up for the captains who are playing in leagues against the players on the squad that dissolved to decide on. If staff want to sit here and say Captains should be held to a higher standard in cases such as this, then by the same words Captains should also be able to have a say in something that could possibly affect the outcome of the season in any given league.

So if this actually happens.. and I still have no idea who you are talking about or what league it would actually affect btw, not only TWL staff but Captains should have a say in the matter as well.

[Izor]

Or, as a community of (mostly) adults, even if most don't act like it, we can exercise the ability to use common sense in situations like these using the rules as a very simple guideline..

Guy sounds like a liberal trying to read the Constitution

[Izor]

FYI back on topic here...did Ancs dropping out really surprise anyone? This isnt the first or maybe even second time theyve made TWL then dropped a deuce on attendance

[fLaReD]

maybe we can come to a compromise here? i'm trying to think of a fair way to handle this. i agree that it's not fair that these players showed up and are being punished due to the rest of their team's absence, but i still would've liked to have seen some initiative taken right away instead of 10 days later.

one possibility is to allow these players to be eligible to play for your squad but in twlj only. they were originally on a twlj-only squad, so i'm assuming twlj is where their interest lies or else they would have left ancients before soft lock to find a multi-league squad. thoughts?

[Rule]

Ancients dissolved Feb 19th
Soft Lock was Feb 17th - Meaning they were ineligible the moment ancients dissolved.
Joined Real March 1st
Hard Lock March 3rd

Trouble and Andy Steel were given "two" hours after their squad dissolved to find a new squad.

They were recruited to Real to boost squad activity - Steel from Astronots, Trouble from Ancients. The issue of whether they could play TWL was not determined or promised. I understand the rules and why we have them. Maybe they should have found a new squad quicker; two hours gave them next to no time. I know in the past staff has made exceptions. Both players multiship - Andys league of choice would be LD, Troubles LB. Jav would not be a big priority for either (and they would not be in our lj lineup). Those are the facts. Staff will make a final decision on it and we will roll with it.

Other thoughts:

If you want to regulate them to one league, why not make it a league they would have a chance playing in.
Andy Steel would be LD
Trouble would be LB

[fLaReD]

soft lock was on the 19th, not the 17th. ancients dropped out about 2 hours before the lock. what i'm saying is that leaving ancients before soft lock wasn't on the agenda for any of these players, so i'd assume their intentions were just to play twlj and i think it's fair for that to be offered back to them.

[kthx]

I actually think that is pretty fair.. although im not really a LJ player/captain so.

[Crescent Seal]

Rule just confirmed that they really want trouble in their LB lineup lol. If some terrible squad had dissolved with 0 good players, then I doubt this thread would have been created.

[Riverside]

Whether or not that works for Real's agenda, it's definitely the most fair alternative.

They signed up this TWL to play LJ. The argument is based on the fact we don't want them missing a TWL they signed up for, not if Real would start them in javelin.

[Crescent Seal]

My opinion was on the other side of the spectrum. If you were to compromise on this then I also would agree with Flared. Ancients qualified for LJ, therefore those players should only be allowed to play LJ.