Who wants to get rid of roster lock for tWL???

[Louis XV]

Originally posted by Facetious
I just don't understand why squadhoppers deserve to play in leagues. It's one thing to change squads after the end of a season, but if a guy plays for one squad for 8 games of a season, and then leaves the second he gets invited to a better squad for the last two games, are you really saying that he deserve any sort of success? It seems like it really destroys the entire point of squads if rules are changed to accomodate people that do that.

WELCOME TO SSCU TRENCH WARS

An idea I've always been toying with is to round up all the TWL captains and agree on a shitlist for squadhoppers. Unfortunately that wouldn't work because there will always be squads (light) that exist solely by leeching off the talent of other squads with mass exoduses. Disloyal players band together and if they win shit, they are rewarded for their disloyalty, thus having a reason to be consistently disloyal throughout their careers. The only balancing factor is that general disloyalty among members causes such squads to be short lived.

SSCU Trench Wars is a stupid zone played by stupid people. Trench Wars Leagues are doomed to suck horse cock unless squadhoppers are penalized somehow.

[bloodzombie]

Originally posted by sTuPiD-gErBiL
nononono.... you misunderstand. i'm not asking for a full list of a player's aliases to be given to any captain who wants it. i'm just asking if the bot/website could check on its own and then either accept or reject the player add request. no information would be given to the captain except if the player in question is eligible or not. that protects player privacy as well as crushes the potential for double-squadding almost completely.

hypothetical situation: SSJSUPERDUPERSAIYEN3884577 decides to join Elusive. Epinephrine goes to a Roster-Bot (or website) and tries to add SSJSUPERDUPERSAIYEN3884577 to Elusive's roster. the bot immediately does the proper stuff or whatever to find out if SSJSUPERDUPERSAIYEN3884577 has an alias on another roster... and let's say the bot discovers SSJSUPERDUPERSAIYEN3884577 actually uses the name bloodzombie and is registered to Pallies. the bot won't actually tell Epinephrine who the player is or what squad he's on... instead the bot will simply say "Add request denied: Player ineligible".

if it can be done, this sounds great to me.

Like I said before, if there's no way to check for double squadders, recruiting is like walking through a mine field..

[Epinephrine]

Originally posted by sTuPiD-gErBiL
nononono.... you misunderstand. i'm not asking for a full list of a player's aliases to be given to any captain who wants it. i'm just asking if the bot/website could check on its own and then either accept or reject the player add request. no information would be given to the captain except if the player in question is eligible or not. that protects player privacy as well as crushes the potential for double-squadding almost completely.

hypothetical situation: SSJSUPERDUPERSAIYEN3884577 decides to join Elusive. Epinephrine goes to a Roster-Bot (or website) and tries to add SSJSUPERDUPERSAIYEN3884577 to Elusive's roster. the bot immediately does the proper stuff or whatever to find out if SSJSUPERDUPERSAIYEN3884577 has an alias on another roster... and let's say the bot discovers SSJSUPERDUPERSAIYEN3884577 actually uses the name bloodzombie and is registered to Pallies. the bot won't actually tell Epinephrine who the player is or what squad he's on... instead the bot will simply say "Add request denied: Player ineligible".

Good idea in theory but it's much much harder than you think it is. Especially with all the stupid name traders out there. Basically what this would turn into is the TWL-Ops being bombarded by captains asking to let so and so join their squad because of whatever special circumstances. Because of the constant requests it would just be unfeasible to check every single one, and thus some people who can lie well will hop very very easily.

-Epi

[sTuPiD-gErBiL]

Originally posted by Epinephrine
Good idea in theory but it's much much harder than you think it is. Especially with all the stupid name traders out there. Basically what this would turn into is the TWL-Ops being bombarded by captains asking to let so and so join their squad because of whatever special circumstances. Because of the constant requests it would just be unfeasible to check every single one, and thus some people who can lie well will hop very very easily.

-Epi

well, i'm more or less just asking if it's possible. i know hz has something called an AliasBot which supposedly takes care of their double-squadding problems, but i have no clue how it works or who programmed it. but since hz uses alot of bot code that was created by tw's crew, i figure it's possible that maybe the potential was already in our reach.

[Escalate]

exactly. there is no way to prevent double squadding in SS. if you want to double squad, just invent a brother or roommate...it could never be proven that you are lying unless you admit it to someone.

[bloodzombie]

I used to play a MUD where they would only let you have one name. if you had a brother, screw you.. you share a name. let's just do that.

[Escalate]

i used to play End Of The Line, that mud was the shit.

[Verthanthi]

Epi, can you give us more details as to how you catch double-squadders? I think it would help curb expectations of greatness, or maybe let someone smart get to work on it if it's possible.

[Randedl]

my ideas. . .

after readin all that i've merged some of the proposed ideas with edited ones from myself and then random ones to top it off with. so here are some rough ideas i think might help.

3-4 pre-season games
you have this long to decide if you are on the right squad, if you aren't, you get a free squadhop chip, no questions asked
after that, you are forbidden from playing twl with any squad but the one you were on come week 1. maybe let them play twd for another squad if they want to leave their twl squad's twd roster, but not twl.
up to week 6 any player not on a twl roster can join, and play for, a twl squad, no penalties. players can be from no squads, or from twd squads, that's all (go twd farm teams! it CAN work)
after week 5 there's a 1 week waiver clearance (if an eligible player joins a twl squad, they have to wait 7 days to be able to play a twl match).
week 10: roster lock, you can't recruit any players eligble to play week 10 or after


k, so that's the timeline, couple more housekeeping ideas. . .
a player has to have played 3 regular season games to play in the playoffs (you can join in week 6, but in 7,8,9,10 you need to play 3 games, if you join in week 8 you can play week 9 and 10 sure, but not playoffs, you really didn't have that much impact on your squad.

and put like a 500 hour ticker on twl arenas. gonna make it harder for people with random aliases to pull a double squad, i'd think that most, if not all, twl players have some kinda similar usage, and it's a stab at gettin rid of those aliased double squadders

oh, and epi, don't say on the forums "it's hard for us to check for double squadders" just pretend you know when everybody is doing it, 1984-Big Brother style.

i'm dillusional right now, maybe none of this makes sense, seems to to me at least.

the numbers aren't etched in stone, just a general idea, change the usage to 400 hours and the eligibility to 2 weeks if u want, but yeah. . . boom

[Luckily Yours]

its not possible , the nametrading "industry" goes throughout SS and if u wanted to restrict people from having more than one name it would have to be implemented in the whole of Subspace and i doubt any other zone will want that .....

[Bosshawk]

Originally posted by Luckily Yours
its not possible , the nametrading "industry" goes throughout SS and if u wanted to restrict people from having more than one name it would have to be implemented in the whole of Subspace and i doubt any other zone will want that .....

pardon me but who the fuck cares if you want to trade names lol

playing in any league carries a big responsibility and if you cant commit to keeping 1 name to strictly play on for league play, then you shouldnt be in leagues

no says you cant have alias's to play on, you just cant have those alias's on any other TWD/TWL squad....

why is that such an problem? lol

[Luckily Yours]

the problem is it cant be enforced

[Kings]

%&%$* roster lock... why wont they do it like any sports.. late in the season.. not in the early season... like maybe 7th week

[Facetious]

Re: my ideas. . .

Originally posted by Randedl
and put like a 500 hour ticker on twl arenas. gonna make it harder for people with random aliases to pull a double squad, i'd think that most, if not all, twl players have some kinda similar usage, and it's a stab at gettin rid of those aliased double squadders

Agreed.

[bloodzombie]

Re: Re: my ideas. . .

Originally posted by Facetious
Agreed.

sounds good to me.