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**Tyson Bitbeast** · 08-05-2003, 05:53 PM

thats a very good idea Sufficent , but to make it even a greater idea we could have 2 TWLB Conferences consisted of 16 squads each

. Thats gonna come one day as more and more squads compete for TWL.

-Tyson

**Facetious** · 08-05-2003, 05:59 PM

All of the odd numbers play the same set of teams. All the even numbers play the same set of teams. Not an improvement over conferences, just more confusing to look at.

Edit: I also don't see the point of having a roster limit.

**Escalate** · 08-05-2003, 06:54 PM

why not reduce the number of teams so that true TWLB squads dont have to suffer through several weeks of non-competetive play? As of right now, i dont even think there are 16 squads total that taking basing seriously....we dont, and we still ended up in TWLB, that shows that there is a problem imo. make it 12, this would also help spice up twbd a bit because there would be a few squads actually playing it, and being in TWLB would actually mean something...because as of now anyone who's even the slightest bit active will wind up in it.

**ConcreteSchlyrd** · 08-05-2003, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Escalate
As of right now, i dont even think there are 16 squads total that taking basing seriously....we dont, and we still ended up in TWLB,

Open mouth, insert foot.

You don't have to accept a berth into TWLB if you don't want to. I'm sure that there are at least a few squads below you that would take it very seriously.

**Escalate** · 08-05-2003, 07:04 PM

hmm...like who?...take a look at the twdb ladder. last time i looked there was a squad in the top 5 that was under 1000.

here i copied it over:
1. ReJeCtEd BaSeRs 1169
2. BioTeX 1027
3. BUNNIES!!! 1005
4. Animal Cruelty 1000
5. KillerTiger 998

to me this demonstrates that basically every squad that plays twdb's is in twlb, or will be shortly...all you need to do to get into twlb is find 8 guys that will be online enough to play a few bd's against squads like the ones you see in this top 5.

and im not the cap of this squad CS so it wasn't my decision to accept the berth. im not trying to insult twlb, i personally dont enjoy it, but thats a personal preference. all im saying is that there is a problem when squads that dont care about and frankly arent very good at basing can gain access to twlb. theres too many slots for the amount of talented basing squads in existence.

**Tyson Bitbeast** · 08-05-2003, 07:59 PM

Rejected Basers are a basing squad that likes to base unlike ur squad Escalate. Since DASHSolsticsDASH doesn't care about basing I don't know why u accepted the invitation to TWLB. Let me remind u of something u wrote about basing.

This is what u said under Predictions round 10 TWLB

yeah tyson, this is a joke, we dont give 2 shits about twlb, only newb squads like WA waste their time focusing on this skilless bullshit. all it looks like to me is a bunch of ships crammed in a 2x2 box for half an hour with lots of bullets flying and reps going off...the fact that your squad exists specifically for twlb...now thats a joke...the fact that you make fun of our squad name when your fucking name is Tyson Bitbeast...now thats a joke.

See why are u even posting on this thread if u don't give 2 shits about basing , what are u starving for attention?
It takes alot of skills to base and not everyone can recruit 8 people and just get into TWLB.

-Tyson

**Escalate** · 08-05-2003, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Tyson Bitbeast

See why are u even posting on this thread if u don't give 2 shits about basing , what are u starving for attention?
It takes alot of skills to base and not everyone can recruit 8 people and just get into TWLB.

-Tyson

not everyone can recruit 8 people and just get into TWLB? then how did we do it? either we are a joke or we are not...make up your mind. i wouldnt expect an idiot like you to know when you are contradicting yourself though. rejected basers didnt even exist when the spot opened up. if it wasnt us that got in i think it would have been virus core or something....a squad that has since dissolved i believe. see the problem?

im bored at work and brought a simple suggestion to improve leagues, you are ruining this thread with your trash, just leave it alone. btw: this is my last reply to you on either of the two threads that you have attacked me or my squad on. although i enjoy defending myself and my squad and making you look like an idiot, its not cool to disrupt constructive threads...so im stopping now. bye.

**Adman** · 08-05-2003, 08:58 PM

When twdb actaully starts again, after TWL is over and they reset the scores, there will be squads up there battling for the spot(S).

**Sufficient** · 08-05-2003, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by Facetious
All of the odd numbers play the same set of teams. All the even numbers play the same set of teams. Not an improvement over conferences, just more confusing to look at.

Edit: I also don't see the point of having a roster limit.

Right now the system is similar bc we play the ppl in our conference and 3 teams from the other conference. I don't see a problem in this scheduling system. The pt of NOT having 2 conferences is to avoid this unevenness btwn the conferences by combining the teams into 1 large conference. It is fairly easy then to see that the top 8 teams play postseason games.

The purpose of the roster limit is to force ppl to different squads. If we could, I would force it down to 25 or even 20. But the players are just not active enough. Roster limits force talent to be more evenly distributed. Once you reach 30 members, new talent must look elsewhere to teams (usually newer) with more roster space.

Face, are you an aliased player on Pallies? I've never seen you base.

I'd like active basers to comment on this (instead of duelers and javvers) ...

**Escalate** · 08-05-2003, 09:23 PM

to me the part that seems unfair is that, if i understand the system correctly, team A in western conference plays half its games against eastern conference teams, yet doesnt necessarily play the same eastern conference teams as team B in the western conference does. then these two squads' records are compared to eachothers for purposes of determining playoff seeding even though they haven't competed against the same teams. sry if that was a bit confusing.

if you are going to do conferences and you want to make them fair, it should be done like this:

rank the twl teams 1-16 before the season starts...either on past league performance or on offseason twd ranking. split the teams evenly with odd ranked teams in one conference and even ranked teams in the other. everyone plays 7 games, one against each team in their conference. the top 4 teams in each conference advance to playoffs. the one drawback of this is it leaves the possibility of uneven conference strengths if for some reason the seedings given at the seasons start arent accurate, but it is far outweighed by the benefit of atleast having every squad earn a playoff spot by competing with only the squads with which they are having their records compared. it just doesnt make sense to compare teams' records that haven't played the same opponents. everything possible should be done to avoid this.

sufficient this is very similar to what you suggested. because you suggested a system where there is basically two groups that all play eachother. the only difference that im really proposing, is to have the teams that play eachother compete for playoff spots only with the teams that they are playing against. your suggestion still compares teams records that arent directly competing against eachother.

also, i agree with sufficient about roster caps...it puts a limit on how much talent can bunch in one spot.

if ive misunderstood the leagues setup let me know and ill delete this post.

**Bosshawk** · 08-05-2003, 09:41 PM

well im gonna ignore most of the newbs comments from solstice cause he has whats called

"Compound Ignorance"

defined as the situation when " you just dont know....that you dont know"

but...

as for a constructive thought

going back to the entry of TWBD competition to enter TWL

you want to know who is hot and who is pardon the expression but "Fucking the dog" leading up to TWL

if you are going to rank the teams going into TWL, why dont you make TWD worthwhile for teams?

rank them based on their TWBD rank at the close of the qualifying to TWL

not only will this spur high activity and high caliber TWBD basing between leagues...but also will make squads play leading up to TWL if they want a slightly easier schedule..... higher ranked = more games against easier opponents? depending on how the schedule is created

food for thought anyways

**Verthanthi** · 08-05-2003, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by Facetious
All of the odd numbers play the same set of teams. All the even numbers play the same set of teams. Not an improvement over conferences, just more confusing to look at.

Edit: I also don't see the point of having a roster limit.

No it is an improvement. Now we can call our conferences Even and Odd to clear up this East/West confusion.

**Escalate** · 08-05-2003, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Bosshawk
well im gonna ignore most of the newbs comments from solstice cause he has whats called

"Compound Ignorance"

defined as the situation when " you just dont know....that you dont know"

but...

as for a constructive thought

going back to the entry of TWBD competition to enter TWL

you want to know who is hot and who is pardon the expression but "Fucking the dog" leading up to TWL

if you are going to rank the teams going into TWL, why dont you make TWD worthwhile for teams?

rank them based on their TWBD rank at the close of the qualifying to TWL

not only will this spur high activity and high caliber TWBD basing between leagues...but also will make squads play leading up to TWL if they want a slightly easier schedule..... higher ranked = more games against easier opponents? depending on how the schedule is created

food for thought anyways

hmm, you call me ignorant and then your entire constructive post is an elaboration of one of the things i just posted. anyway, i agree this is how it should be done, the committee thing bases everything on reputation and twd should be given this role if for no other reason but to make the offseason less boring and determine who is actually playing well and not who has played well in the past.

your paragraph on getting an easier schedule if you are higher ranked doesnt really seem like a possibility to me though. you have to have schedules of relatively even strength or else twl is a joke. if there needs to be something to encourage twl squads to do better in twd in the offseason it should be something like:

making the first tiebreaker in twlb standings be whoever finished higher in the preceding twdb....+/- is a crappy tiebreaker for twlb anyways.

**Fit of Rage** · 08-05-2003, 10:36 PM

For Escalate

For the record, after TWD is reset and the competition restarts, I suggest that -Solstice- not even play a basing game period, if you have no intention to continue.

Note: RB takes basing seriously, and we're going to make SURE that we EARN a TWLB spot next season.

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