TWLB Final

[Escalate]

it'd be alot more fun if each team used a wb and a jav.

[Luckily Yours]

im in diso and im a supporter of cram ...

take football per example .... u can chose to defend uor goal the whole game .... yes it makes for a bad game but there should be no rule to stop it .... itsa strategy like any others no matter how lame .... and the fun of basing is also in that , finding new strategies and ways around them .

another thing ... u should allow a limited number of linechanges during TWL matches ... when teams get desperate thats when they experiment something new without being affraid ... and thats wat makes base fun like mayo inc. said ....

my "alot" of cents

[Jonas]

Originally posted by Escalate
it'd be alot more fun if each team used a wb and a jav.

More fun? I don't know, but it would definately be more varied.

Most squads play 5 spiders, doesn't that say something about the power of this ship? Personally I'd like to see them downgraded.

[Copy!?!]

Originally posted by za gophar
i think in 8 v 8 basing 1 of every ship should be used.

[Miau]

I think that 8v8 with all ships has been tried at ?go base but it really didn't work out any fun

[Aim2kill]

GG spastic you had a perfect cram in my eyes.

I couldn't blame lag about the loss, it had always been there and wont get away. we (diso) should have known better and should have played and pracced more togetter.

I don't like the cram, lining is more open and gives you more fr battles. so i hope lining will be more populair again. and that some one will figure out how to break the cram with ease.

I'm still happy about our season: twld semi-final, twlj champs, twlb finals. it still was a great season. GGs and good luck to all squads next season!

[Zerzera]

GG Spastic, to watch the game was a drag, and only because I am in Disoblige I watched the entire game.
Don't know if it was due us playing bad or you just rocking the game, but I didn't stay to watch the Mambo - Spastic game either.

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A cram is hard to get, but with a good jav and supporting spiders+sharks you can get the cram in one time. Read: You will whipe out the whole team in one time.

It's all about the entire team hiding inside the walls behind the repels of the sharks.
Kill out the sharks, let them use all their repels, or let them rush out and then fire behind them.

Their might be a problem when sharks "eat" and they only need repels to actually repel for their team, instead of repelling to stay alive.
I know certain sharks who only seem to see a percentage of the actual number of bullets, mines, bombs placed due some misterious lag. When those pilots play in spider it only gives a bit of trouble because they won't die so fast and keep you busy in flagroom when you want to start defend, but they become a problem when they can defend their team as a shark.

So maybe the only thing other than learning how to kill sharks and time javshots that can be done is to put tighter lagrestrictions on sharks.

[Pyros]

Originally posted by Luckily Yours
im in diso and im a supporter of cram ...

take football per example .... u can chose to defend uor goal the whole game .... yes it makes for a bad game but there should be no rule to stop it .... itsa strategy like any others no matter how lame .... and the fun of basing is also in that , finding new strategies and ways around them .

another thing ... u should allow a limited number of linechanges during TWL matches ... when teams get desperate thats when they experiment something new without being affraid ... and thats wat makes base fun like mayo inc. said ....

my "alot" of cents

Agreed.

[Sufficient]

I'm sorry ... but basing puts *special* emphasis on teamwork ... teamwork involves helping each other and NOT TKing one another (javs and mining sharks do this) ...

[Sufficient]

Originally posted by CrvenBan
... Sorry, but I can't honestly say that they have individual skills to be called the best. Only the lag advantage.

Doesn't basing extol the virtues of *teamwork*?

[Sufficient]

Originally posted by Miau
Just limit the spiders to 4.
Jav is imo by far the elitest basing ship and damn hard to master. Now the cram is making it usless since all you need is laggy sharks. No skill involved in tanking 3 spids then reppin 3 before you die. Cram has not only made jav useless but also sharks skill less. Mining has lost it's meaning cos of the cram and line sure isn't an option since people just spike in (not whining about that lag. Always been there, just the fact that lag+cram has ruined 2 ships from the game: shark+jav. Can't remove the lag, so removing cram is the only option)

Please bring back some reason to basing and limit the spids. I've always loved base cos of it's many aspects. Now this is just plain sit+shoot. Elimwhores can play base as good as dedicated basers now and almost with no prac. Where is the good old basing gone?

More and more you want to limit the freedom of a squad to choose what ships they want to play?

If there is any change that should be implemented it's a map change w/2 or more entrances in the fr ...

Sry bout 3 posts in a row btw ... hard to reply to individual posts in one reply.

[CrvenBan]

Yes, teamwork is important, but no amount of teamwork will help you if you don't have the individual skills (on several occasions in first round I beat 2 and 3 spiders chasing me). Not only did I manage to beat them, but I also noticed the way they shoot, aim and charge, and how they put no emphasis on dodging, and to me, that means something.
Sitting in entrance taking cover behind laggy sharks is definatly not a definition of a teamwork.

[Miau]

Originally posted by Sufficient
I'm sorry ... but basing puts *special* emphasis on teamwork ... teamwork involves helping each other and NOT TKing one another (javs and mining sharks do this) ...

There you have it. Cram doesn't allowe mining sharks nor javs at all .. I think you can see that just by looking at the stats of your sharks.. Yes, basing is teamwork BUT it should also involve some sort of talents.

You can throw ANYONE into spids, get laggy sharks (or make em) and find a good terr.. that's all what's needed now (as long as they are such that can listen to orders).
-Sharks dont need any talent (all they need to know is push rep-button and not die at the same time). Mining has lost it's meaning totally since one friendly mine=cram broken.
-spids only need to sit and shoot down (wich again doesn't even require much aim)
-terr needs to know when to warp (that is skill though)
but the rest would just be about who lags most wich imo isn't point of basing.

I don't say limiting spids to be the only option.. another would be to change map (viable option in another topic).

I seriously thought a skilled jav could be the solution but hell... if sharks lag enough the jav can't do shit since a laggy shark actually can block for 5 reps (without greens) just by eating and repping 3 (wich gives enough for even a sloppy shark to respawn and attach).

Yes, lag has always been there but with the current map and cram they do create that lagshield Crven talked about.

P.S. I know my opinion about sharks is biased since I started sharking such a long time ago. I feel bad mostly cos no amount of talent can compensate lag in cram. I think that can be seen in Spastics own sharks wich had nice timing together but neither of em is really talented in that ship (talking about the various aspects of the shark here.. and not implying I would been anything special myself in that game or showed any amazing moves, just that they play the ship in a way wich imo isn't the point of it: shark=defensive ship, not plain shield)

[Pure_Luck]

Hi,


Ok, I'll make a post here. I think limiting the amount of spiders won't help the cause since people will be cramming and a 4 spider cram is just as effective as a 5 spider cram when the other team only has 4. As for us lagging, Every one of diso players lag since they aren't from the U.S. So I would say that u guys lagged just as much or even more than us if you were to check everyones lag. Our sharks are both under 100 ms pings. Crv you are just complaining because you lost. I think a map change where it opens the center up would be a nice idea to try out. We should try out the 4 spider max and/or the opening of the flagroom in TWD and see what type of reactions we get. As for the actual game, I thought you guys played old school style and probably lost cause of it. Thanks,

Pure_Luck

[Sufficient]

Originally posted by Miau
There you have it. Cram doesn't allowe mining sharks nor javs at all .. I think you can see that just by looking at the stats of your sharks.. Yes, basing is teamwork BUT it should also involve some sort of talents.

You can throw ANYONE into spids, get laggy sharks (or make em) and find a good terr.. that's all what's needed now (as long as they are such that can listen to orders).
-Sharks dont need any talent (all they need to know is push rep-button and not die at the same time). Mining has lost it's meaning totally since one friendly mine=cram broken.
-spids only need to sit and shoot down (wich again doesn't even require much aim)
-terr needs to know when to warp (that is skill though)
but the rest would just be about who lags most wich imo isn't point of basing.

I don't say limiting spids to be the only option.. another would be to change map (viable option in another topic).

I seriously thought a skilled jav could be the solution but hell... if sharks lag enough the jav can't do shit since a laggy shark actually can block for 5 reps (without greens) just by eating and repping 3 (wich gives enough for even a sloppy shark to respawn and attach).

Yes, lag has always been there but with the current map and cram they do create that lagshield Crven talked about.

P.S. I know my opinion about sharks is biased since I started sharking such a long time ago. I feel bad mostly cos no amount of talent can compensate lag in cram. I think that can be seen in Spastics own sharks wich had nice timing together but neither of em is really talented in that ship (talking about the various aspects of the shark here.. and not implying I would been anything special myself in that game or showed any amazing moves, just that they play the ship in a way wich imo isn't the point of it: shark=defensive ship, not plain shield)

Yes, shark is a defensive ship ... PRIMARY purpose of shark is to protect the terr ... secondary purpose is to protect the other teammates. Mining is lower on the list in priorities.

You say that cramming takes away from javs. That's simply NOT true ... I believe Spastic played 3 games of cramming in TWLB with AE in jav. Again ... you guys are so anti-cram when you SHOULD be pro-diversity/teamwork ... and again ... *IMPUT* for a BETTER / MORE FUN TWLB season would be a lot more helpful then all these posts ...

If Spastic has no skill beyond the cram, then wouldn't you expect an nme team that can at least get into fr once, can shut Spastic out of fr? In fact, that's what Diso did in the regular season vs Spastic. You have to have at least some skill (both individual and teamwork) in order to win in fr, midbase, or tunnel.

From what I have heard and seen ... Diso also crams (maybe perhaps not as much as Spastic but still). And it's kinda of sad to see ppl (whom I respect) ... trash (maybe trash is too strong of a word) gab, jr, and eggs ... they played with full concern for the safety of pure and all of Spastic's spiders ... in my eyes at least, they've proved their skill.